Trump Causes Climate Activists to Melt Down - The Climate Realism Show #134
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Jim Lakely:That being junk science dot com, cfact, Climate Depot, and what's up with that. Let's get rolling. Today, we have with us, as usual, Anthony Watts, senior fellow at the Heartland Institute and publisher of the most influential climate website in the world. What's up with that? H Sterling Burnett.
Jim Lakely:He is the director of the Arthur b Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy at the Heartland Institute, and Linnea Lukin, research fellow for energy environment policy at Heartland. And we are so happy to bring in a special guest, the carbon king himself, Jason Isaac. He's the CEO of the American Energy Institute, a former state legislator from Texas, and a good friend of us personally and of the Heartland Institute. Welcome, everyone, on this very, very happy Friday.
Anthony Watts:It's great talking to you on Friday. Good to be back.
Jim Lakely:Jason, explain your outfit, please.
Jason Isaac:You know, I just thought it was appropriate taking out the trash. You know, the American Energy Institute shared a a meme, I think, yesterday of the president-elect Trump walking away from the White House with trash bags with things like green new scam, ESG, the EV mandate. I mean, all these things, Paris Accords, all these things that are really garbage, and he's taken out the garbage. So I I just thought, you know, it'd be appropriate if I put on the safety vest, one more time like president Trump did a couple of I guess maybe about a week ago when he was, taking out the trash, literally driving a garbage truck when he flew into Wisconsin. I thought it was it was absolutely incredible when he and he did that, and, it it was it was just great marketing.
Jason Isaac:What, you know, when President Biden calls his supporters garbage, and Trump just flips it around. It's a marketing genius. I would like to say my efforts pale in in comparison to him because I did a video wearing this, and it got a ton of traction. People blasting me for wearing a MAGA hat, for wearing the safety vest, and how dare you do that? You look like an idiot.
Jason Isaac:You can't be taken serious. And my one of my responses was, you wouldn't have seen this video if I wasn't wearing a MAGA hat, or if I didn't have the safety vest on. And it was just like they didn't even realize that how genius his marketing was that I copied, and used to my advantage to convey some facts about the EV mandate.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Well, I mean, that's what we're gonna talk about today. There's a lot of, there's gonna be a lot of different climate and energy policy coming down the pike very, very soon, the kind of things that we've talked about on this show for, what is this number? 134. Many, many episodes of it.
Jim Lakely:So, so, yeah, we're gonna get into that. But before we do, and, actually, it's kind of related, Anthony Watts' favorite feature of this program, and that is the crazy climate news of the week. Hit it, Andy.
Anthony Watts:I just love that thing. I just love that thing. Hey.
Jim Lakely:I know. Jason, before we
Anthony Watts:get into this before we get into this crazy climate news, I wanna ask you, as the carbon king, what kind of Christmas gifts do you get?
Jason Isaac:You know, we've actually given coal away as a Christmas gift with paint it, have someone's name put on it because, you know, I had I had an opportunity to tour some coal mines out in Eastern Wyoming. And believe me, the people there are getting coal for Christmas, and they're grateful for it because they're heating their homes with it. I've written op eds about getting coal for Christmas because it's, you know, a great affordable, reliable energy source that people need to stay warm. And, but, you know, we we just try to give as many high carbon gifts as possible, and that's kinda where I got the name, the carbon king. It was, Jamie Raskin, the congressman from Maryland, who referred to me as that when I was testifying in front of a committee, and I introduced myself.
Jason Isaac:And I said, Hi, I'm Jason Isaac, and I live a high carbon lifestyle.
Anthony Watts:Truly, we live in the carbonation.
Jason Isaac:And he and he it's like when I said the rest of the world should too, he just, like his head about exploded and he referred to me as the carbon king, and I was like, that was the only note I took from a 4 hour testimony. I was like, here's some more good marketing that I'm gonna use to my advantage. It's now my license plates, I've got it printed on my wallet just to remind people, and my wife even made a great costume for me for last Halloween. We went as the Carbon King and Queen, pump jacks, and, you know, Derek's and things like that on adorned on our outfit. It was funny.
H. Sterling Burnett:You turned the whole Christmas cold thing around.
Jason Isaac:I did. Yeah. Could be, yeah. Yep. Because there are.
Jason Isaac:There are millions of people around the world that would love to get coal for Christmas. Whether it's just coal to put in a, like, a wood burning stove in their homes to stay warm, which people still do by the 1,000 in the United States, people around the world would absolutely love that, especially the Europeans that can't afford electricity that are freezing to death. They would love it. So, yeah, more people deserve to get coal from for for Christmas, and it'd be great if they could get coal from the United States.
Jim Lakely:Yep. If if you're thinking
H. Sterling Burnett:of my if you're thinking of high carbon Christmas gifts for me, Jason, I'll, send you some suggestions after the show.
Jason Isaac:Some of the airplanes that are being used as taxis that
Anthony Watts:Oh, what what kind of wine does carbon pair with?
Jason Isaac:Delicious wine.
Anthony Watts:What kind of wine we're gonna see in just a couple of minutes? That's what's coming.
Jason Isaac:That's right. A good steak.
Jim Lakely:Yes. Yes. Yes. So thanks thanks for again, thanks for being with us, Jason, the Carbon King. And I hope you enjoy that, little graphic I made for you long ago.
Jim Lakely:I thought I'd be fine.
Jason Isaac:I remember that show. That was great.
Jim Lakely:Alright. So here we go. So, yeah, our first our first item here is, Michael Mann melts down over the election. So we we see here, he went on Twitter and says, America is a failed democracy. Our media failed us.
Jim Lakely:Our institutions failed us. Our people failed us. Worst of all, we now pose a major threat to the planet. Michael Mann, I I have to log in as a different person, not myself, in order to read his his tweets because he blocks me and everybody else on this on this show for sure. But, you know, he's taking that well.
Jim Lakely:And then, secondly, I have a few more tweets here. Here's another one. Michael Mann, corresponding with another climate alarmist, nutjob, George Mambiote, journalist quote, unquote journalist from the UK. George says and I had to do this a lot with these tweets. I had to take the swear words out of them.
Jim Lakely:This is a family show. So here we go. I've resisted saying this for many years because it doesn't help, but we are so effed. You and me both, George. You and me both, says professor professor Michael Eman.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. So, again, taking that well. And here's another one. This is from account called Auto English. And he says, we have to accept that millions of Americans are misogynistic, climate change denying, racist effing lunatics who don't give a single f about anything apart from the price of gas in their tanks.
Jim Lakely:Having done that, we need to stop caring about America and build a better Europe. Well, to that, I would say I'm very happy to hear. Stop worrying about America, European, environmental leftists, nutjobs. We'll do us, and you do you.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Let let let's see if
H. Sterling Burnett:they stop worrying about America with NATO and support for Ukraine and all those other things.
Jim Lakely:We will see about that. Yeah. Well, before we before we get into we'll we'll just have some more comments about all this here. But but, actually, Michael Mann, he was he was blasting this all over x yesterday. He was so proud of this piece he wrote in, in the bulletin of the atomic scientists.
Jim Lakely:I didn't know he was an atomic scientist. What do you know? Learn something new every day. His, piece was titled Welcome to the American Petrostate. I know that makes you happy, Jason.
Linnea Lueken:That sounds epic.
Jim Lakely:That doesn't sound great. He says, look. The United States is now a failed Democratic state with the reelection of Donald Trump, a candidate who has flaunted his desire for autocracy, aided and abetted by a Republican controlled congress that will not constrain him with guardrails, the United States is now poised to become an authoritarian state ruled by Plutocrats and fossil fuel interests. It is now, in short, a petrostate. Now what does this mean for global climate action on the eve of 29th UN Conference of the Parties or COP 29 to be held next week in Baku, Azerbaijan?
Jim Lakely:And I had forgotten that cop 29 is coming up next week. What great timing. This is so great. Alright. Anyway, Mann says that in short, that all the global climate deals are probably now dead.
Jim Lakely:He says, I've long Too bad. Stabilizing warming below catastrophic levels aren't physical or technological. They are entirely political in nature, and political obstacles can be overcome. But what if they can't? Well, then that means you have to crank up the resistance theater to 11, Michael Mann says.
Jim Lakely:And he uses the Lord of the Rings as his analogy. And, this is where we'll close with, we too must choose to do battle against the forces of darkness, fighting back against the malevolent movement that represents fascism, authoritarianism, racism, misogyny, and bigotry, a movement that uses unscientific disinformation as its preferred weapon. We do this not because our success is guaranteed. Given the forces mobilized against us, we are clearly the underdog. No white rescue.
Jim Lakely:We have truth and justice on our side, and the simply could not be greater. We continue to fight for a livable planet for us, our children, and future generations because it's worth fighting for. What a
Anthony Watts:tough They should change the name of that they should change the name of that publication to the Bulletin of the Psychotic Scientist.
Jim Lakely:I know. What about the town? Massimo
H. Sterling Burnett:Greene Weekly. This is this guy, a, he doesn't understand what democracy is. He thinks it's only democracy if they do what he wants them to do. If if the people vote his way, then it's democracy. If they vote the other way, it's not democracy.
H. Sterling Burnett:Suddenly, it's fascism. That's not how democracy works, Mike. People get to say, not just you guys. And you don't get to direct people how to vote. And when they don't vote your way, it doesn't mean the end of democracy.
H. Sterling Burnett:It means democracy still prevailed. You were on the losing side.
Jim Lakely:Elections have consequences. Don't they, Jason?
Jason Isaac:Yeah. They certainly do. And, it was pretty pretty resounding what happened on Tuesday. You look around the country and the way things went, like, you know, the blue wall states. Maybe they're not so blue after all unless they're talking about blue collar, but the blue collar workers realized that, economic prosperity is pretty vital to the success of this country, and that has been tarnished over the last 4 years to the benefit of China, completely to the benefit of China.
H. Sterling Burnett:To to to read that, you'd think that we were about to join, OPEC. Right? Yeah. Oh, we're a petro state. Well, okay, let's join OPEC and then, control oil around the world.
Jim Lakely:No. If you read that, we're going to join Mordor. You know,
Linnea Lueken:I'm I'm actually confused about that one because I have been reliably informed by all the the, the libs on, x that, quoting from The Lord of the Rings is a white supremacist dog whistle. So what did Michael Mann mean by this? I don't know. Not sure.
Jim Lakely:Oh, well, if anybody happens to run into that little hobbit, you can ask him. Alright. We're gonna move on. No. He's not
Anthony Watts:a hobbit.
H. Sterling Burnett:He's he's, he's the guy that the ring, the little the the little creature The doll
Jim Lakely:of it.
Jason Isaac:Yeah. The
H. Sterling Burnett:golem. Yeah. He is golem.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Alright. Let's go.
Anthony Watts:You know what? Here's Go ahead. Here's where Michael Mann and George Monobiot and all these other folks should go. They should get themselves a climate change bunker. There's actually a website talking about making these for people, you know, because it's, it it helps them survive the the holocaust of climate that's coming up.
H. Sterling Burnett:Well, now that he's now that he's a provost at UPenn and, despite the fact that the wrestling team was, you know, on stage with Trump, now that he's a provost there, he can probably afford this, thing.
Jim Lakely:Well, I don't notice any place there to store your weapons, so they probably use perfect for him.
H. Sterling Burnett:And I don't know where he's gonna store his hot air.
Jim Lakely:Jeez. That vents that vents out the top.
H. Sterling Burnett:Oh, yeah. There you go. Alright. Yeah. He he still pollutes the planet.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Alright. Let's go to, the next one. That's not it, Andy. It's, it's on the slideshow, I think.
Jim Lakely:The, unscientific American. Now we've talked a lot on this program about the corruption of the scientific, journals and magazines around the world, really. And, there's probably not a worse although, it's hard to say that, but it's probably not a worse offender than Scientific American. So this is a a series of posts from the editor in chief of Scientific American, Laura Hellmuth. I mean, Laura Hellmuth.
Jim Lakely:Okay. Sorry. In, in 2020, she broke the magazine's 175 year tradition of never endorsing presidential candidates. A 175 years. And I presume they they endorsed Biden then and then Harris this time around, but then she posted this and later deleted her account after a a ton of blowback.
Jim Lakely:Again, I gotta gotta edit out the profanity. I apologize to the younger voters that my Gen x is so full of effing fascists. Solidarity to everybody whose meanest, dumbest, and most bigoted high school classmates are celebrating early results because f them to the moon and back. They'll have to fly on, Elon Musk's rockets for that. And then every 4 years, I remember why I left Indiana where I grew up, and I remember why I respect the people who stayed and are trying to make it less racist and sexist.
Jim Lakely:The moral arc of the universe isn't going to bend itself. Now in fairness, she did later post an apology for this stuff, I guess, trying to, maybe it's an attempt to save her job. I don't know. She said that she apologized for making a series of offensive and inappropriate posts on her personal Blue Sky account on election night, and I am sorry. I respect and value people across the political spectrum.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Sure. These posts, which I have deleted, do not reflect my beliefs. They were a mistaken expression of shock and confusion about the election results. These posts, of course, do not reflect the position of Scientific American or my colleagues.
Jim Lakely:I am committed to civil communication and editorial objectivity. Anthony, do you buy that?
Anthony Watts:The only thing I can think of is shock and I mean, goodness. I you know, this is not an isolated incident. We've had all kinds of scientists on Twitter just basically unloading on people. You know? It's basically, you know, following the lead that Biden said where the you know, anyone who's not with us is a piece of garbage, and that they're treating people like that on Twitter.
Anthony Watts:You know? They are absolutely convinced the world is gonna go to hell in a handbasket faster than ever now, but they don't have anything to really support that other than their own fear and their own hate, and that's really tragic.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. Look. Her job, I I her she should lose her job for that. It does reflect on Scientific American. You know, her her mea culpa comes 3 tweets too late as far as I can tell.
H. Sterling Burnett:And, you know, another thing that I've seen since the election, people keep apologizing to young voters. Oh, I'm so sorry, young voters. You know, you want to change the world. That's Kamala Harris. Oh, the young young people.
H. Sterling Burnett:Did they not read the election results? Trump improved with youth under voters under 30. He went up. He was not just competitive. He was close.
H. Sterling Burnett:So it seems to me that, there's no apologies to young voters. Young voters also decided to join the Trump train.
Jason Isaac:I I think she probably gets a raise out of this, if anything. I mean, can you get a promotion at the highest level of the the the magazine? I I really I think that's what's gonna happen. Scientific American has been so unscientific over the last few years. They've been completely lost.
Jason Isaac:They attacked me and some of the efforts I had to improve public education in Texas by getting some standards changed that would have kids, when they're, you know, in science classes looking at different sources of energy to do a cost benefit analysis, to actually study energy poverty and how it relates to poverty because they are directly related, to look at different sources of energy. We're trying to remove the bias against affordable reliable energy in our public education system in Texas, and Scientific American came unglued at our efforts. Really getting mad, again, about that cost benefit analysis. Why? What's wrong with doing a cost benefit analysis?
Jason Isaac:Because they know that this type the sources of energy and electric production that they support, there is no it's all cost and no benefit.
Anthony Watts:You know, Jason, I've been thinking, a few years ago, I sent Michael Mann a, a calendar of cartoons by Josh that we put together on what's up with that. I sent it to his personal home address, and it caused him to freak out because it was he said it was glossy and professionally produced and blah blah blah, and it must have been a product with big oil, and Watts is getting money for this. And then I showed him on his Twitter account. I posted up the receipt where I had the thing printed at Costco, right, you know, when they had the printing center. So I'm thinking this year, you send him some coal, and I'll send him a quart of Valvoline.
Jason Isaac:Hey. I I love it. I it it might be a cold winter. I this is what I wanna challenge the climate alarmist. It it really want to, the so called keep it in the ground movement.
Jason Isaac:You first. You first. Do it, and and try it for 2 weeks, try it for a month. No products, nothing, no energy sources derived from hydrocarbons, and see if you can survive on wind and solar. And again, no products derived or you where fossil fuels, hydrocarbons have been utilized, and it's like, you you won't last 2 weeks.
Jason Isaac:It's funny. I remember meeting Jason. Go ahead, Leila.
Linnea Lueken:They won't they won't last 2 seconds. You can't build wind turbines and solar panels without
Anthony Watts:I know. Right? Hydrocarbon products. No.
Jason Isaac:You can't even give them that. But I remember the first time I met Bjorn Lomborg and we were talking, he's like, there really needs to be a show that just shows what it's like. And I'm like, Bjorn, it's out there. And he kinda looked at me perplexed, and I'm like, yeah. It's called Naked and Afraid.
Jason Isaac:And he just and
H. Sterling Burnett:I don't think he knew
Jason Isaac:what that show was, but the Americans that I were with in the room just started dying laughing. They're like, right. That's so true. That's what it's like. And it's absolutely miserable living that existence.
H. Sterling Burnett:He wouldn't last seconds because how would he tweet his outrage? Exactly. Yeah. No phone. No computer.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. No elect you know, no no modern electronics at all because they all have plastics. They all have, you know, wiring. They all have stuff that was made with fossil fuels.
Jason Isaac:It's like getting a lecture from Hunter Biden. The drugs are bad.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Well, speaking of people who wouldn't make it 30 minutes outside alone without, modern technology, let's go to our 3rd item in our crazy climate news of the week of people who are now overdosing on Copium like you wouldn't believe. We'll start with this, young person who, made a video just for us and for everybody else. Go ahead and hit that one up, Andy. So, you know, she's having a normal one.
Jim Lakely:That's nice. Well, let's
H. Sterling Burnett:listening to that music in the background, I'm wishing they would take, fossil fuels away from her for use.
Jim Lakely:Yes. Yes. And if you if you're just listening to the show and didn't see it, it it said, you know, basically, I hope you all like your lower gas prices. And, she was just miserable looking into the camera like a golf chick from the 19 nineties, which is gen x time. And we saved the world and the country on on election day, on Tuesday.
Jim Lakely:But, Yeah. It's like people are not taking it well. And speaking of that, this is more of a serious, video. This is the, we have another video here. This is from Carla, Denyer.
Jim Lakely:She's the cochair of the Green Party of England and Wales, and she is also pretty despondent.
Speaker 6:I know that, like me, many of you will be feeling fearful this morning. A convicted criminal, a fascist who does not respect the rule of law is once again set to become leader of the most powerful country in the world. For a man who denies the reality of climate change, has no respect for the truth, and engineered the overturning of women's right to choose, for him to have so much power feels frightening. His relentless attacks on migrants, his racism, his misogyny, his homophobia, it leaves many in our communities feeling threatened this morning. So on this dark day, I want to say that we stand in solidarity with all those who dreaded this moment and must now live with its consequences, including those in Gaza and Ukraine.
Speaker 6:The struggle for truth, peace, and justice goes on. I recommit myself and my party to that struggle this morning. The politics of hatred will not win. Together, we will go forward with a renewed sense of connection with all those around the world who feel shaken by this election result, but determined to continue to defend what matters, to build a safe, just, and inclusive green future. Together, we curse the darkness, yes, but we also light candles to mark our unity and the shared power of radical hope that comes from resistance.
Speaker 6:Resistance to Trump, resistance to fascism, and resistance to all those who seek to divide us.
Jim Lakely:And those people include a majority of Americans all across the country. Anthony, take it away.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. You know? Well, first of all, she says she's gonna light candles. What are candles made of? Paraffin.
Anthony Watts:Where does paraffin come from? Oil. Oh, no.
H. Sterling Burnett:Carbon dioxide admitted into the year with every plan. But
Anthony Watts:but here's the thing. She says that this guy, you know, that Trump, was elected. He's a criminal, you know, and he doesn't respect the rule of law. Well, I will point out that every signer of the declaration of independence took that description. There.
Anthony Watts:You don't have percent.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. We don't need anyone from across the pond, the old colonialist, colonial power telling us how to run our elections or what their results should be. I like the fact that she even threw in Ukraine and Gaza. This is a woman who would be stoned to death in Gaza, as she defended them.
Jim Lakely:So let me let me get let me get to the last bit on this on this thing and for which this little segment is is titled A Dark Day. This is a story from our friends at Grist, who just love the Heartland Institute and love Jason Isaac and all of our friends. Trump wins, planet loses. The election results rattled climate policy experts and environmental advocates. The president-elect has called climate change a hoax and during his most recent campaign vowed to expand fossil fuel production, roll back environmental regulations, and eliminate federal support for clean energy.
Jim Lakely:He has also said he would scuttle the inflation reduction act or IRA, which is the largest investment in climate action in US history and a landmark legislative win for the Biden administration. Such steps would add billions and tons of additional greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and hasten the looming impacts of climate change. Quote, this is a dark day, said Ben Jealous, the executive director of the Sierra Club, in a statement. Quote, Donald Trump was a disaster for climate progress during his first term, and everything he said and done since suggests he's eager to do even more damage this time. Linea, how excited are you since you're wearing a MAGA hat that, what looked like the inevitable march over the green energy cliff looks to have been stopped?
Linnea Lueken:I mean, it's the fight isn't over yet. Right? I mean, we won, we have Trump in the White House and he has or he is going to be in the White House, God willing. He has promised and he's been very explicit on the campaign trail and also during his speech the night that he, won, that he is going to prioritize American energy and that he is going to prioritize, stopping some of the green grift. Right?
Linnea Lueken:But there are snakes in the Republican Party. There are people who, are more beholden to foreign interests when it comes to, energy like China and stuff, than American interests. So we're not done yet. We're still we're still having to keep our eyes peeled and and stay frosty and everything. But, man, is there hope on the horizon here?
Jim Lakely:Mhmm. Okay. Let's, actually, did you know to get into this, to our main topic here, which which is really is we do only we do wanna talk about the new agenda, for America when it comes to climate energy under Donald Trump. There was a, I think, underreported speech that Donald Trump gave in, in April of 2022 to a, to a group in Florida. I I have a video clip of this.
Jim Lakely:I found it just yesterday. I actually had, Sterling help me track down when this speech was given because I just kinda saw it randomly on x. And in this, if you have any doubt at all where Donald Trump stands when it comes to climate and energy policy, this excerpt from this speech will put all doubts aside. So, Andy, if you wanna go ahead and play that, please.
Speaker 7:The most urgent tasks, not only for our movement, but for our country, is to decisively defeat the climate hysteria hoax. The ocean is rising and it's rising. It's coming. It's within 300 years. We're going to gain 1 1 100th of an inch in the ocean and have a little more beachfront property.
Speaker 7:It's gonna be a terrible thing. No. It's a hoax. The whole thing is a total. It's so crazy.
Speaker 7:In the meantime, our factories can't perform. They want us to use wind wind, intermittent wind. Darling, I'd like to watch the president tonight on television. No. You can't.
Speaker 7:The wind isn't blowing. Right? The wind isn't blowing. There's no television tonight, darling. The wind isn't blowing.
Speaker 7:And by the way, our house went down to about 30% of the value because we're near a windmill that makes a lot of noise, kills all our birds and ruins a landscape. Other than that, it's a wonderful thing for the environment. These people are crazy. But they're radical climate people and I don't believe they mean it. They can't mean it because it's too, it's too easy.
Speaker 7:They can't mean it. The radical left's fear mongering about climate and our future is no longer just scaring American youth. It's destroying America's economy, weakening our society, and eviscerating our middle class is really hurting us. And conservative leaders, think tanks and intellectuals must be fearless in calling out the lunacy of what you're seeing and what you're being led into. The world is not ending.
Speaker 7:Our future is not dying. We have to defeat the climate hoaxsters once and for all. You know, they said we only had 12 years to live. That was 4 years ago. Remember?
Speaker 7:They said our country has 12 years. And that was like I said, oh, what happened? What happened? They said, it's the climate. I said, really?
Speaker 7:Oh, that doesn't make sense. So that means we only have 8 years. That's ridiculous. The real problem is with nuclear weapons, we may only have 6 months. You talk about global warming.
Speaker 7:That's the real global warming, not the global warming hoax that they don't even use it anymore. They call it climate change. Remember they used to call it global warming. The planet is warm, but that wasn't working out too well because a lot of places were extremely cool. So they were getting killed.
Speaker 7:We they were getting killed and then they changed it all of a sudden, climate change. Because you can't miss on climate change. It can go up. It can go down. It can go 15 different directions.
Speaker 7:It's climate change. It's killing us. Now these people have got a lot of problems.
Jim Lakely:Yep. These people have a lot of problems. Now if you've ever wondered whether or not, organizations like the Heartland Institute and, the American Energy Institute and our friends at, you know, that that Isaac that we have with Isaac here in the, in the movement, that we have an effect on Donald Trump's thinking. We do. We even have an effect, I think, on Donald Trump's choice of words because these are words that we use, a lot.
Jim Lakely:Alan, have you had have you ever seen that, clip before, Jason, and what do you, what does it make you feel?
Jason Isaac:No. I hadn't seen that one before. I've heard him speak several times. Sometimes up in in person, up in close, in front, and, you know, really getting to see him speak, and see his passion. And, you know, a couple of things that come to mind is, you know, really he's alive.
Jason Isaac:Talking about 1 100th of an inch sea level rise, he's alive because of 1 100th of an inch. And I don't know how he gets up on stage and doesn't constantly turn his head, you know, dodge and roll. Literally, it would just be absolutely, stressful for me after what he's been through to be up on stage speaking. And he has done it relentlessly over the last 100 days even after that assassination attempt and surviving that, getting shot in the ear, in the head. So there's that, but you talk about the Sierra Club losing their minds, and, yes, these people are sick, they're crazy.
Jason Isaac:It's it's become their religion, and that that's quite honestly is very sad to me that the people that have been manipulated to believe in something that just isn't true. But during the 1st presidential administration, he cleaned up, and his administration was responsible for cleaning up these EPA Superfund sites more than any other president in history. I think that's environmental leadership. We became world leaders in clean air, having reduced pollution nearly 80% over the last 5 decades. Energy cost went down.
Jason Isaac:I think that's good for the environment. That's good for mankind. We're number 1 when it comes to access to clean and safe drinking water. And so he's right. And and the people that are upset and talking about a dark day, the only dark day that's happening is because people can't afford their electricity.
Jason Isaac:And these are some numbers and statistics I like to share with policy makers over the last 4 years. Between 2021 and 2022, there was a 5, 5,000,000 people lost their access to a primary utility, whether it be electricity or natural gas. It was a 30% increase in people losing their electricity, getting their electricity connected, and a 76% increase in people getting their natural gas utility disconnected because they couldn't afford to pay it, or they didn't have access to the credit. That's one of the reasons why we've seen credit card debt at its highest levels ever in this country, because people are having to pay their utility bills with a credit card. They're borrowing money to keep the lights, the heat on because of the skyrocketing costs of energy prices, because the current administration, the Biden Harris administration, has been attacking American Energy their entire time in office.
Jason Isaac:And so, it does give me a little bit of hope of what's to come with a Trump 2.0. I think it's going to be much more efficient. We're going to see some progress faster, and I do think we're going to get back to the environmental leadership and economic prosperity of the prior Trump administration.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. Go ahead, Sterling. Well, you know, you wonder, what the biggest nightmare I I think you you talked about the the biggest challenges facing the climate alarmist. And a lot of people right now, I think, would say that, Trump's election was that big biggest thing. But but the truth is, you know, we were we were discussing a chart earlier that showed it didn't matter what presidency that the biggest challenge they face is CO2 is going up regardless of who's president, regardless of who's the prime minister of England, regardless of who's the prime minister of Germany, whatever's going on in, in Ukraine and Russia, It doesn't matter.
H. Sterling Burnett:CO2 is increasing. Why? Because the world is using more fossil fuels than ever. India will not be denied access to reliable energy, neither will China, neither will other countries. If we turned out the lights here in America today, literally turned about, it would not stop the rise of CO2.
H. Sterling Burnett:That's reality. And that's the problem that that environmentalists really face. Their biggest catastrophe is reality, which they refuse to face. They always say, follow the science. We'll follow it.
Jason Isaac:Yeah. I love that. And, I've I've got some stuff posted at American Energy Institute, that I think 6 fakes, 6 fake facts people still believe about climate, where there were some Norwegian scientists who came out and said, that man's contribution to greenhouse gas emissions over the last 200 years have had no impact on temperature increases. There's other studies that show that the planet is warming and c 02 emissions are rising, but the planet's warming and the CO2 emissions are arising because of that warming. It's not causing the warming.
Jason Isaac:I've seen recently that man's contributions to greenhouse gas emissions in the atmosphere is now 4%, that's a decrease from 5%. So that it's just naturally occurring, and the fact that people latch on to this net zero decarbonization, CO2 movement, it is really the religion. I call it the climate Kool Aid, this decarbonization, the result's the same, it's death. You get rid of CO2 in the atmosphere, we're gone. And, when Apple put out a commercial with Lisa Jackson saying, our aim is to permanently remove carbon from the atmosphere.
Jason Isaac:That's her quote in an Apple commercial. I'm a huge fan of their products. You do that, we're all dead. It's a trace gas in the atmosphere, 0.0 4%. I'm preaching to people that know this, but hopefully, some of the listeners and watchers are getting some talking points and some science and some facts and math based on reality.
Jason Isaac:It's what concerns me is when the leftist movement, when they when they realize that water vapor is 6 times more prevalent in the atmosphere and it's much more of a warming gas, when they wanna start going net 0 h two o, then I'm gonna be a little concerned. I don't wanna give any politicians any ideas for subsidies to throw around for someone that has a beat, you know, industrial scale dehumidifier, because that's the last thing we need. We just need we need more affordable, reliable energy, and there's billions of people on the planet that don't have that. And we've mastered the climate here in the United States. We've mastered its changing, with infrastructure, being able to get away from weather that's happening, survive weather events, and that's why deaths from weather related events are down 99% over the last 100 years while our population has quadrupled.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. You know, if they got rid of the carbon in the atmosphere, it wouldn't have a big impact on temperature. But because it would kill all the plants on the planet, it would kill all the humans and all the animals. You know? Look, life ends without carbon, and that's Lisa Jackson.
H. Sterling Burnett:Well, a moron.
Jason Isaac:Yeah. And it's something I think I learned from, Patrick Moore that the more c there's a reason why in greenhouses, they increase the CO2 concentration to 1600 parts per million, you know, 4 times what it is, because the plants actually grow faster, they grow stronger, and they use less water. So that like, wait, oh, that that would be a good thing, right? Because because some people are always concerned about water conservation, and the access to water. And the workers, despite the
H. Sterling Burnett:And the workers, despite the high c o two levels, the workers who go in there don't fall over choking on c o two and die. Yeah. Yeah. You don't see a lot of class action lawsuits about green against greenhouse gas, against greenhouse owners by the workers, the families of the workers who've died. Trial.
H. Sterling Burnett:To.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anthony? Yeah.
Anthony Watts:So, you know, that graph we showed of the presidential thing where, you know, it keeps going up. Well, that's one thing. You know? Carbon dioxide keeps going up, and there's both natural factors as well as human factors contributing to that. But what most people don't really know and understand, because math is hard, and this is a logarithmic graph.
Anthony Watts:And this comes directly from the IPCC calculations that they started back in 1990, and this graph illustrates the effect of carbon dioxide on temperature. And so what's really interesting about it and is that every 20 parts per million that you keep increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the effect gets less and less. And if you look at the far left hand side of the graph there, the most of the warming that we get in the atmosphere comes from the first 20 parts per million, and it keeps going down as you keep adding more carbon dioxide. In preindustrial times when we were around 260 to 300 parts per million, the warming was even less associated with carbon dioxide. Today, we're at 420, and the warming is even less than preindustrial times.
Anthony Watts:And as we go into the future, it's gonna get even less. So all these efforts for net zero, decarbonization, and all that stuff are for naught. They're not gonna make a hill of beans worth a difference in the temperature of the planet.
Jason Isaac:They just separate us from our food, our fuel, and our freedom.
Jim Lakely:Yes, sir. Well, let let's, so I have in in the show notes here, before we get to q and a, we're gonna drill into a little bit drill. Like that, person. We're gonna drill into, some details here, I think. This story is from Bloomberg, what Trump's victory means for climate.
Jim Lakely:The win empowers Trump to deliver on his campaign pledges to go after climate policies he'd he's dubbed the green new scam while reorienting the federal government toward pumping more crude and building more power plants. Though some efforts would face long ahs on Capitol Hill where many of Trump's fellow Republicans would oppose a wholesale reef repeal of the inflation reduction act's energy and manufacturing tax credits. We'll see about that. Trump can use his executive authority to put other changes in motion. Quote, you are looking at, overall, a drill, baby, drill philosophy, said Dan Eberhardt, chief executive officer of Oilfield Services at Canary LLC.
Jim Lakely:Quote, you are going to see offshore lease sales. You're going to see pipelines move much quicker. You're going to see fracking on federal lands and a mindset that is focused on lowering energy costs for consumers, unquote. Now that is certainly what Donald Trump promised on the campaign trail. And so I just wanna go through a a few of these, you know, items that I was thinking of, and then we'll we'll refer to the group.
Jim Lakely:We'll have a nice discussion about it. But when it comes to electric vehicles, I'm imagining that, there's gonna be no more of those or fewer, no more subsidies for them, I should say, or fewer expiring subsidies for their sales. Oil and gas, Biden had curtailed extraction on public lands, the smallest ever plan for offshore oil and gas leases, and I would think Trump is gonna expand that. Liquefied natural gas exports, that's gonna be back on the table. Offshore wind, we we saw the clip of Donald Trump not liking wind very much for many, many reasons.
Jim Lakely:And will he stop offshore wind to save the whales, which he mentioned on the Joe Rosen Rogan podcast? And then he says that, you know, even onshore, windmill, facilities are basically bird graveyards. Though we did say some nice things about solar. Clean energy tax credits. Who knows?
Jim Lakely:I imagine those are not gonna gonna be done anymore. I didn't even know this, guys, but there's a clean tech green plant I'm I'm sorry. Clean tech green bank at the Department of Energy. Maybe that'll be shut down. Power plants, this might be for you, Jason.
Jim Lakely:Are are we gonna see a comeback for coal and natural gas when it comes to our power plant production for electricity, and are we gonna see more nukes? And then finally, net zero, I don't see that now ever really taking hold here, and perhaps I'm being a little maybe too rosy about this, but maybe even the net zero will start to fall apart all across Europe. So, who would like to take one of those items first?
H. Sterling Burnett:Well, the last one first. Net zero. That it may fade in Canada, first of all. Not not across Europe. Canada.
H. Sterling Burnett:Mhmm. Trudeau may lose the next election. He, we're working with our allies in Canada to release a new climate and energy at a glance, book it up there. And, it basically shows that Canadians are on the hook for a lot of bad stuff that will raise their energy prices, limit their freedom, make the power less reliable, and, do nothing to prevent climate change. So, you might see that you didn't even mention to me the biggest elephant in the room that he might take down, which is the Paris agreement.
H. Sterling Burnett:He has vowed to get us out of that again. Now the question is, how would it be best to do that?
Linnea Lueken:How dare you?
H. Sterling Burnett:I think it would be best if he did that by submitting to the senate and having them because as soon as he submits it, it's now a treaty up in for consideration, and we're out. Because the agreement is superseded by treaties, and, there's no way it would get the 2 thirds necessary vote in the senate for approval. And so it will either linger there for decades or it will get a vote and it will lose, and that means we're done with it. I think he should go farther. It would be more difficult, I think, but maybe not.
H. Sterling Burnett:And pull us out of the UN, FCCC, the Framework Convention on Climate Change altogether. And the reason for that is I think if the U. S. Pulled out of that, contrary to the alarmists that we point out earlier, who said Europe will have to go it alone, Europe, the world will have to leave America behind. If America pulled out of that, other countries would follow quite quickly.
Jim Lakely:Yep.
H. Sterling Burnett:And the whole house of cards would collapse. Yep. But we'll see.
Jim Lakely:We'll see.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. It'll be a lot like, you know, East Germany when they made that mistaken announcement, you know, that the borders are open and people just started heading for the borders, then the whole thing collapsed just right after that. It only took that one incident that just crushed the whole thing.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Jason, I think people underestimate. You're actually, a lot of this reminds me of, you know, there's so much government programs, so many things going on, and, I, there was a governor of, of of Indiana. I saw him at a at a Heritage Foundation event many, many years ago. Mitch, what's his last name?
Jim Lakely:I'm just not getting it. Anyway, the governor of Indiana, he had made a bunch of cuts. He'd privatized the, the state turnpike, and he says, you know, there was a big human cry, and everybody was, like, all upset. And he said, then in a couple months ago, it died down. He says, you know, you you never the people will never miss the government that they didn't even know existed.
Jim Lakely:And so it seems to me that there's a lot of stuff going on that the government does to stop climate change that doesn't affect anybody's life. Although, it does keep a pretty, a pretty hefty green industry going on our tax dollars.
H. Sterling Burnett:Is it Mitch Daniels? Was it Mitch Daniels?
Jim Lakely:That's it. Yes. Thank you.
H. Sterling Burnett:So, you know, you talk about some of the things. There are things that he can do day 1, like sign sign us out of, Paris where regardless of whether he submitted to the to congress, he could do that day 1. Offshore wind, I'm unconvinced that he can stop the leases that have already been offered. He can say that you have to do new. We've decided that you have to do new environmental impact statements, but he can certainly end lease sales.
H. Sterling Burnett:But there are some things he can do. For instance, Biden broke the law. Heaven forbid someone saying Biden didn't follow-up. Biden broke the law. We are supposed to offer lease sales every few months.
H. Sterling Burnett:That's in the law. He's offered the fewest lease sales ever. Trump, all he has to do is say go back to following the law as written. Biden broke the law in Anwar. Congress passed a law which was signed opening portions of Anwar for oil and gas exploration and production.
H. Sterling Burnett:Biden violated that, canceled the leases, said we're not doing that. He broke the law. So all Trump has to do is say we're gonna follow the law here, and so we're moving forward
Jason Isaac:with that. Yeah. I I just think we have some great opportunities really on day 1 to get out of the Paris agreement. I think that's gonna happen. And there was a group of us, I spent some time in the West Wing of the White House last term, you know, 2019 before COVID lockdowns, and advising that that's what should be done.
Jason Isaac:Send it to the senate, let's get it rejected, let's get it completely done, and we were actually there was a small group of us that were advocating for what we called a a Pittsburgh Accord. You know, Paris is just focused on decarbonization, which does nothing to mitigate a changing climate, just makes everything more expensive. It's about control. But one thing that would be great to see is, you know, some other countries like China and India actually improve their air quality, and I've I've testified in front of congress. I think I testified in front of the congress on the green bank in the US senate when I and I said, of all the technology the Chinese steal from us, it would be nice if they would utilize our pollution control technology.
Jason Isaac:They don't. We're we're world leaders in clean air. It actually costs more money, surprise, surprise. That's why China doesn't do it, but, actually, their their pollution and I think this came up in Rogan, that that their pollution makes its way over to the United States and impacts our air quality. So if you really wanna improve air quality in California, it would be to get China to work on air quality improvements.
Jason Isaac:That would be an amazing step. It's probably not gonna happen, but, that would be great if we could focus on that and really call the bluff of our trading partners to meet air quality standards that improve human health. They're way too strict here in the United States. We're beyond anything, you know, that improves human health so far beyond that it's really increasing costs and still driving manufacturing out of our country. You look at the cost of electricity, I think Duke Energy came out and said that if some of the regulations are rolled back, they will stop early retirement of coal fired power plants.
Jason Isaac:That would be a huge step in the right direction to do that. I'm I'm skeptical as to whether these investor owned utilities would actually do that because you look at who they're owned and controlled by. And in Texas, every single investor owned public utility has at least 20% controlled by BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street. Some of them are a little bit higher, but every one of them is over 20%, those big three financial companies. Now, Vanguard pulled out, but at one point in time, BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street were all part of these these UN Global Climate Groups, the the Insammy, Net Zero Asset Managers Initiative, GFANS, the Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero, Climate Action 100 Plus.
Jason Isaac:And when you join those groups, you pledge. You pledge all of your assets under management to drive the net zero agenda. So you invest in Center Point Energy, then you are pledging to exercise your 5 to 7%, or whatever percent of shares that BlackRock or Vanguard or State Street owns, to drive the net zero agenda, to drive the early, termination and early shutdown of reliable affordable coal power plants, to shut down natural gas, to force them to implement carbon capture, the stupidest thing in the world. But that's what they're pledging to do. There's there are already some lawsuits, you've got some attorney generals that are investing investigating in this.
Jason Isaac:But you look at the financial institutions, even the banks have pledges where they won't make capital available if you're going to do any oil and gas production, or production of or mining of minerals. In ANWR, in Alaska, they're targeting Alaska. They're discriminating against these countries these companies in these states, and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. I think it's already against the law. I think there's quite a few, close to 2 dozen attorneys general around the country that agree with my sentiment on that.
Jason Isaac:I hope they're held accountable, but they certainly shouldn't be rewarded to the opportunity to do anything with any investment dollars, whether it's public pensions or tax dollars, and that's what we did in Texas. And I had a hand in writing the first bill, the first draft of the bill that would say if you boycott, divest, or sanction fossil fuels, then you can no longer do business with the state of Texas. That's put BlackRock on the boycott list in Texas earlier this year. Nearly $10,000,000,000 was divested in management from BlackRock and placed in companies that actually have business in Texas, amazingly. There's investment bankers and financial institutions in Texas that will gladly take those dollars and not use them to be weaponized against American energy producers.
Jason Isaac:So, I think Paris is gonna help, and then we've got to start dismantling this ESG agenda from these companies. But they're scared of Europe. They won't do it because they're oh, we'll lose a $1,000,000,000,000 in assets in in Europe if we do this. Well, I I don't care about Europe. I care about America first.
Jason Isaac:Yeah.
H. Sterling Burnett:And if we pull out, right, if we pull out, I have a feeling it'll start to collapse in Europe. Yeah. Does Europe still wanna trade with us? Because we can say tariffs on your stuff 200%.
Jason Isaac:Yeah. I mean, this EV mandate that's in place, I'm about to release a really, really lengthy paper on all of the different credits that are being traded. CAFE, corporate average fuel economy credits, greenhouse gas emission credits, both at the federal level and the state level. The amount of money that's being used to prop up EVs that are using Chinese technology, there's inflation rate reduction act money. I mean, there's there's nearly $100,000 per electric vehicle sold in the United States is on the backs of taxpayers, utility ratepayers, and the purchasers of internal combustion engine vehicles.
Jason Isaac:In in some cases, it's over $100,000. This research is going to blow people's mind, but it's going to lay the foundation for some executive orders that can be done on day 1 to roll back the EV mandate. EVs are great. I've had an opportunity to drive a Tesla around the Circuit of the Americas track in Austin. It was awesome.
Jason Isaac:I loved it, but I don't and I don't care if wealthy individuals wanna buy them. It's not for me, but I don't wanna pay for it. And I don't wanna ask people that are getting their electricity bills, their electricity disconnected to be paying for someone else's, especially wealthy individuals, you know, EV. It's just absurd. But in Germany, it's crushing Germany.
Jason Isaac:Half the automobile manufacturing is offline in Germany right now, and their shores are flooded with cheap Chinese EVs. I mean, there are 100,000 EVs parked around Europe right now from China waiting to be sold while they're crushing Volkswagen, while they're crushing BMW, who are announcing layoffs, who are just shutting down operations because they can't compete with this mandate that is just driving up their costs. It's crushing them. And so I hope to shed a little bit of light on that very soon of how detrimental it is to automobile manufacturers. Unless you're in China, or a Chinese based owned and controlled company, it's crushing everyone else.
Jason Isaac:And I think President Trump, on day 1, can start to issue some executive orders because EPA and NHTSA, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, and Department of Transportation have been doing these, gimmicky credits that I've joked that Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman Fried and Enron Accountant blush at what a scam they are with our tax dollars. But I think he can through executive order because these have never been authorized by Congress. And so to shut those off on day 1 now Elon's gonna be fine, Tesla's gonna be fine. You know, they might break even, but they've only been profitable because of these credits. And so it would be really nice.
Jason Isaac:It could put 1,000,000,000 of dollars immediately back into the automotive industry, creating jobs and creating hybrids that people really want right here in the United States, not with Chinese technology.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Anthony and Linnea, are there are there elements of, the planned future agenda for Trump when it comes to Calibrant Energy you're most looking forward to that we have not yet covered?
Linnea Lueken:Oh, man. I think we covered pretty much all of it. I can't recall anything off that list that we haven't at least touched on a little bit, especially thanks to Jason. He's done an awesome job presenting here. Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:I mean, I I'm I'm looking forward to seeing what happens. You know, there was some question because in the, you know, previous previous Trump administration, not there wasn't quite as much that got done as we would like to see. You're gonna have some push. But now if we have all three branches of government, that'll be probably a different story, hopefully. But, the we're gonna I think it's gonna end up being a fight between, the kind of America first side of the energy issue and the, the globalist and, like, big multinational corporate chamber of commerce type people.
Linnea Lueken:That's that's gonna be, I think, our biggest hurdle going forward because there are a lot of Republicans who mistakenly have kind of like an allegiance to those types and to the World Economic Forum types. We're gonna have to break that allegiance down, if we wanna get anything serious done.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, I think I think there's been a there's been a a vibe change, as they say, in in Washington, and I think, that kind of stuff is gonna go by the wayside. And real quick before we get to the q and a, I wanted to bring up a story that, Anthony shared with me, I think, just yesterday that this election was so devastating for the, environment environmental left that even in Berkeley, California, they, defeated, they had a climate measure that suffered a crushing defeat. They rejected a measure on Tuesday evening that would have imposed a new tax on hundreds of buildings that have existing natural gas hookups in an effort to fight climate change and reduce emissions. This is example number 1,230 of how when the left's, own lives are actually on the line, they are not as green as they say they are because they don't they wanna have things like a gas stove too, and they wanna have cars, and they wanna go on vacations.
Jim Lakely:And so the hypocrisy when it finally hits him in the face, is pretty fun to watch. Alright. We're gonna go to q and a right now. I know we got a lot of questions, in the chat, and I appreciate everybody who's here live. So, Linnea, you are up.
Linnea Lueken:And I'm gonna apologize ahead of time for not able to get to all of these questions. We do have a lot of them. So I'm gonna try to find one for Jason.
Jason Isaac:I'll speak quick this time.
Linnea Lueken:No. You're good. Let's see. Okay. This week, kind of, already covered, but I but let's pull it up again.
Linnea Lueken:Is it already too late to stop the offshore wind farms from being planned for mid Atlantic?
Jason Isaac:No. I don't think so. I think there's some state efforts that could be done. In Texas, we basically, the legislature passed a cost benefit analysis requirement. I don't think we'll see offshore wind being built in Texas anytime in the next couple of decades because our public utility commission has to choose the least cost method to produce electricity first and foremost.
Jason Isaac:And, you know, I'd say, fortunately or unfortunately, onshore wind is much cheaper than offshore wind. So it will we then we need to get these reliability standards passed in other states, you know, study cost benefit analysis. Imagine that. What Utah has done that if they're going to decommission any reliable, affordable sources of electric generation, nuclear gas, coal, then they have to replace it with an equal megawatt. None of this like what, American Electric Power, AEP, is doing where they're decommissioning coal and replacing it with wind.
Jason Isaac:They're replacing something, that works with something that doesn't all to to appease the climate alarmist and really to virtue signal. And so I think there's some opportunities at the state level and at the federal level. If we if if we're successful, and this was on JD Vance's Joe Rogan interview, talking about the subsidies for wind and solar, that it's astronomical how much, they receive compared to other sources of electric generation. If we can get rid of the production tax credit, I think coastal wind is dead. The only people that you'll have doing it is those that are like Apple that are paying, you know, 1,000,000,000 of dollars just a virtue signal that they're doing it.
H. Sterling Burnett:I think I think it's worse than that, Jason. It's not just offshore wind that will be dead. If if they end the production tax credit, we have experience with that in repeated, end of year budget battles over the tax credit. Every time the tax credit lapses, even if it's just for a couple of months until they get a new omnibus bill passed that puts it back in, production stops. Construction of new wind stops.
H. Sterling Burnett:Then the day it lapses, factory shut down. So I think that would happen again. It's still not competitive.
Jason Isaac:Be great. We need affordable, reliable energy, not all of the above. This is something I've been guilty of as a politician talking about all of the above energy policy. This is kinda my pet peeve. I'm on a rant on this about over the last year because I just saw something from a from a US senator from one of these climate grifting groups that that she thinks is conservative that isn't talking about all of the above energy policy.
Jason Isaac:All of the above includes heavily subsidized things that don't work when we need them. And so, we need an affordable and reliable energy policy, and that's things that work. Natural gas, coal, nuclear. So that's that's what we need to get our politicians to work on their messaging and drop this all of the above energy policy because, you know, pedaling a bicycle to generate electricity like they did on Gilligan's Island is all of the above. And and I'm I'm pretty fit, and I don't mind hopping on a spin bike for 30 minutes to an hour from time to time, but I don't wanna do it to generate electricity so that I can then run into the kitchen real quick and cook.
Jason Isaac:I I prefer affordable and reliable.
Anthony Watts:You know, I think the whole thing about Berkeley rejecting the natural gas tax boils down to pizza. Because if you've ever been to Berkeley, you've seen you see pizza parlors all over the place. You know, it's kinda like the lifeblood of the college town. They have pizza. And when they realize their pizza is gonna get more expensive, they're saying, heck no.
Anthony Watts:We're not gonna do that.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Alright. Now now, Jason, before we get to the next question, you promise now, you know Faster. Let's do it. Faster.
Jim Lakely:Alright.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. I'm I'm gonna pitch this to Anthony because this is a climate change question. We have someone on Rumble called Jay who says, as a lifelong resident of Northeast Ohio who has watched yearly diminishing of robust Ohio winters to nearly nothing over the past 20 years. Can you give me an idea of what's really happening if not climate change?
Anthony Watts:Well, let's see. It could be chemtrails or harp. Oh, no. Wait. No.
Anthony Watts:Wait. That's that's different. Anyway, no. It just you know, we've had a climate shift since 1978. The great Pacific climate shift happened, and, you know, before 19 I don't know if you remember the winter of 1977 and 78 in the Midwest.
Anthony Watts:I lived through that in Indiana, and I can tell you that the winters prior to that and that winter were brutal. And then when we had the great Pacific climate shift in 77 and 78, things started to get more mild. They don't properly swing back toward a much colder, and much more snowy environment for winters, once the Pacific changes once again. So it's just part of a natural cycle. That's all.
Linnea Lueken:Good. Sterling, did you wanna add anything to that?
H. Sterling Burnett:Well, you know, you look at the data, if you talk about snow, for instance, I I lived in Ohio. I I did my graduate work there, so I was there for the best part of, 5 or 6 years. And, snow has declined 3.1 whole percent since the seventies. 3.1%. That's how much is declined.
H. Sterling Burnett:I think the perception is that they are less robust than, than they were. I'm not sure that matches reality that much. It's certainly that what they report on the news. If you if you get your if you get your information from the news, you're seeing, oh, the end of snow, the end of of cold weather. Man, I remember when I was there in the nineties, how miserable it was walking, to school, you know, walking to to Bowling Green through the snow, all wrapped up as a Texan, by the way.
H. Sterling Burnett:You know, it's like, look, we're not used to this stuff. I got used to it, and it was miserable, but I didn't see it decline. And when I look at the data, and once again, I I care about data. I care about not perception, but reality. The data is since the seventies, snow has declined 3.1%.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah.
Anthony Watts:So Sterling's saying he had to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow.
H. Sterling Burnett:In the snow. Yeah. Exactly.
Jason Isaac:I'll add 2 things real quick. We're coming out of an ice age, and we've reduced pollution nearly 80% over the last 5 decades, so more sunlight is making its way to the surface. Right.
Jim Lakely:I
Jason Isaac:don't wanna give Bill Gates any ideas to put reflectors in the sky or anything.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. We we got a question from, Luke who says, what are your thoughts? I don't know who this person is. This person is referencing, by the way, before I say this question. I don't know if anyone on the panel will.
Linnea Lueken:What are your thoughts about Tony Ciba's predictions when it comes to energy? His predictions are wild, and many are coming true already. I don't know who that is, so I can't help with that one.
H. Sterling Burnett:I'm not familiar with them either.
Jason Isaac:Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. Maybe we'll have to look into that one for another time. Thank you, Luke. You and them
Jason Isaac:are going to continue to increase significantly.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Well, at least energy demand is gonna continue to increase for sure. Okay. How about this one? This I'll pitch to Jason.
Linnea Lueken:How does Trump keep Elon happy now that he's on board?
Jason Isaac:Well, I think Elon is is come to the realization, about the largest of government. And if he really wants to eliminate 2 $1,000,000,000,000 in spending, I think I think Elon has kinda red pill ed himself. And so I think Elon's gonna be happy just cutting the size of government. And and Tesla's gonna be fine. Starlink's gonna be fine.
Jason Isaac:SpaceX is gonna be fine. I mean, so I think Elon's and Elon's been fine over the last 2 days. I think he's added $15,000,000,000 to his net worth because of stock increases. So,
Jim Lakely:the
Jason Isaac:e Tesla in particular, and I think this is probably what the question's asking about. If we get rid of the EV mandates, how does Tesla continue to do? I think the other automobile manufacturers get out of the EV business if they're no longer being forced to by the the government. They're gonna keep some niche products. I mean, Bentley just announced yesterday they're pushing back their goals to be a 100% electric to 2035.
Jason Isaac:It's not gonna happen. They're not gonna do it if they wanna continue as a car company. Tesla's the leader when it comes to making EVs, and I think they're gonna continue to be the leader, and people are gonna continue to buy their products. But they're just not getting subsidized from the other automobile manufacturers and utility rate payers. So, it's gonna be a little bit more competitive, but Tesla can be profitable without those
Jim Lakely:market distortions.
H. Sterling Burnett:Tesla might be the only company that can profitable without
Jason Isaac:the inventory.
Jim Lakely:They are right now.
H. Sterling Burnett:And if that's the case if that's the case, then when they all pull out but Tesla, there's more more of the pie for him. Right?
Jason Isaac:That's right. Yeah. Absolutely.
H. Sterling Burnett:Of course. Then, if if if a Democrat comes back to power, they'll sue Tesla for being monopolist in the electric vehicle, space.
Jason Isaac:You're right.
Jim Lakely:If you can't survive in the market without federal subsidies or taxpayer subsidies, you don't deserve to be in the market. You can't make it. Too bad. Come on. You're on mute, Linnea.
Linnea Lueken:We all get one. Okay. Smart of art best asks, can potas defund climate science and put the funds in genuine science?
Anthony Watts:Yeah. I think the Genuine science left.
Jason Isaac:Can be done. Yeah. Definitely. Within the Department of Education, you can derail some of the climate alarmism that's in this. We've had success in doing this in Texas when it comes to our Texas textbooks to the curriculum that the students are learning and the teachers are teaching.
Jason Isaac:And removing the biases, just educating teachers and students about all forms of energy production, talking about poverty, and I know I've I've mentioned poverty a couple times on this show already. There's 3 and a half 1000000000 people on the planet that have access to electricity that's equivalent to what will power our refrigerators for 1 year. There are 750,000, 850,000,000 people that don't have any access to electricity at all. Robert Bryce points out that the market and some people like to use the word invest. I think of an invest as a positive term.
Jason Isaac:I try not to use about invest. Really, the market's blown $4,000,000,000,000. The market has spent $4,000,000,000,000 over the last 2 decades on unreliable sources of energy. If we'd have spent a quarter, if the market had directed a quarter of that and the policy dictates and drives the market, a quarter of that, $1,000,000,000,000, then we would have completely eliminated poverty on the face of the Earth and every single person could have had access to electricity if we'd have spent just $1,000,000,000,000 on producing affordable and reliable energy around the planet. I know there's some corruption issues, so you're still gonna have a couple 100000 people that don't have it because of the way countries are run and they would have embezzled that money, but they're doing it right now, through some of these other climate scams.
Jason Isaac:So I I do think that there are some opportunities to improve education, through the Department of Education if if we can't get rid of the Department of Education altogether.
H. Sterling Burnett:Was it just about was the question just about science education? Because I thought it was about science.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Science like science in general in terms of Okay. But I think also, like, grants and
Jim Lakely:stuff.
H. Sterling Burnett:The biggest yeah. The biggest thing I think Trump could do, is get an EPA director in there who on day 1 reinstitutes, the end of secret science that that science that EPA will only and may only consider scientific research that is transparent, that is open to public and, scientific consideration transparently, and any and no regulations can flow from a science from from a study or research that hasn't been tested. You can also day 1 say we no longer you can still be on government panels. I mean, I'd like to end a lot of the funding for the government funding or research. But to the extent that we still have government funding or research and you have private, researchers from universities on these panels that decide what gets funded, you have to make a choice.
H. Sterling Burnett:You can't be on a panel and and then be applying for the money or your your colleagues can't be on the panel and you apply for the money. You got to in the corruption where they get 1,000,000 of dollars and they give it to themselves through studies that they are, the 8th author of, coauthor of. They get to decide who gets the research dollars. They can decide it, but it can't be their friends. It can't be their universities, and it certainly can't be themselves.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you very much. That was good. Okay. We just got a question that popped up that I think is a pretty good one, especially when it comes to how our new government will work. And that is, can the recent SCOTUS Chevron decision be used against EPA saying c 02 is a pollutant?
Jason Isaac:Yes.
Linnea Lueken:Okay.
Jason Isaac:Yeah. That's that that's the hope. Yep. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Holy moly. And that's the taste it.
Jason Isaac:So transformative.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. Here's another one that might be a quick answer. A little bit off topic, but I stopped to, David Voigt says, I stopped my subscription to The Weather Channel on my phone. Are there any other weather of apps apps available that are not part of the alarmism crew?
Anthony Watts:Well, first of all, kudos for getting rid of The Weather Channel. There was a story out today that said that in that app, they were sharing all that private information about where you live and so forth and so on without permission to all kinds of advertising agencies in complete violation. So ditch The Weather Channel.
Jason Isaac:That's where it is.
Anthony Watts:Because they're they're crazy on alarmism, but because they're breaking the law. But there are a bunch of other apps out there. And, you know, I don't keep a weather app on my phone because I have so many other resources for weather here at my disposal. I don't really need one, so I can't really recommend one. But, I'll look into that, and maybe next week I might have a recommendation.
H. Sterling Burnett:Well, now, Joe Bustardi, has one. It it doesn't he worked for Weather Bell Analytics. I I don't think that they
Anthony Watts:That's a website. I don't think they have an app.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I don't think Weatherbelle has an app, but, they they do, I think, often more I I know that he does do, like, live current, forecast. I'm not sure what, like, level of public consumption type stuff they do. I think a lot of it is for, like, corporate, but I could be wrong. I have field stuff.
Jim Lakely:I have MyRadar on my phone. That's that's one I use. I don't get any alarmist nonsense off of this app, and it gives you radar and weather on that. I also got rid of my weather, My Weather Channel app as well. I didn't know about the about the tracking, like, their work for the CIA or something, but, you know, I did I was getting alarmist stuff.
Jim Lakely:Like, every thunderstorm is telling me that, you know, I'm in danger if I if I stand near my window because lightning struck 10 miles away 30 minutes ago. I mean, it's absurd. So
Anthony Watts:Yep. You know, we do have an app here at, the Climate Realism Show.
Jim Lakely:Speaking of
Anthony Watts:We have an app for our climate at a glance, and here it is. Here's all the details on it. It's for the iPhone and Android. And all of this the climate arguments that are out there, we have them covered in this app. And so when you're talking to somebody about, you know, their view of the world and being doomed, death, and destruction, you can go right to the Climate app for Climate at a Glance and get an answer and then refute them on the spot.
Anthony Watts:Download it. It's good.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. To clarify, it's not a weather True.
Jim Lakely:It's not
Linnea Lueken:a weather forecast app. Although it does talk about weather a lot in there. Yes. It sure
Jason Isaac:formerly known as Twitter.
Linnea Lueken:I just
Jason Isaac:put a question in there, and I said, a good question just came up about whether or not there's a good unbiased weather app. And I said, let's ask Chris Martz, so maybe he'll get back in my Twitter thread about that because he's he's pretty good. If you don't know him, check out my Twitter thread or x thread at Isaac for Energy. It's the one where I promote the show about an hour ago, and so look look for a response from Chris Marks.
Linnea Lueken:Awesome. Chris is a good friend of the show as well. Okay. This is from, Michael who says, here in Denmark, we have 2 new companies working on small Thorium reactors. Is the US also working on projects like this?
Anthony Watts:As far as I know, no. There's been talk about it, and they actually did develop a thorium reactor way back in the late forties, early fifties, but they pretty much abandoned thorium in the United States because they were so, full of the infrastructure that they had for refining uranium and plutonium for the bomb. So I don't think we're moving in that direction. I do know that China is, and they have a couple of working thorium reactors. And thorium is a great path forward because it's not nearly as volatile as uranium and plutonium or poisonous or or producing nasty byproducts that have to be stored for centuries and all that kind of stuff.
Anthony Watts:Thorium is the way forward, and we've got much more abundant thorium in the earth's crust than we do uranium or plutonium. So, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. To my knowledge, we're also not, doing anything with Thorium. We are looking at some different kinds of reactors, but they're not Thorium reactors. Unfortunately, I think the one that they had was in Idaho at one of the research labs there. And, once the government sort of decide against it, the private sector abandoned it.
Jason Isaac:You know, there was a construction permit just approved by the Federal Government. This is, like, the first construction improvement, a permit approved in a long time for Natura Resources out of Abilene, Texas for a molten salt reactor.
Linnea Lueken:Nice. Thank you. I've seen a couple people mentioned Keystone XL. I think I can answer that. Although, Jason might have extra details that I'm not privy to.
Linnea Lueken:I'm gonna say no. I don't think Keystone is gonna come back even under Trump administration because the company itself said that they're so sick and tired of the whiplash that they've just, like, shut everything down and packed up. So I doubt that that segment of Keystone will get picked up again, but other pipeline projects like those in, the Appalachians and stuff might go through.
Jason Isaac:Yeah. I think where you're gonna have some big wins there is the lawsuit in North Dakota against Greenpeace that could potentially bankrupt Greenpeace North America, which would be a huge victory for those of us that support affordable and reliable energy. These terrorists were terrorizing on private property. They did it in Texas, as a matter of fact. They hung from a bridge, for, like, 7 people dangled from a bridge shutting down the port of Houston.
Jason Isaac:You know, this is before the ports closed. You know, this is a couple of years ago, but that's all it takes is for some activists to get together and trespass on private property to close a port down. And I did an interview with Channel 4 News in in the UK, and they completely ambushed me, but they couldn't answer my questions. They never used the segment. But I'm like, what about the people that are working at the port that were sent home that day because the port was closed?
Jason Isaac:These hourly employees that lost earnings provide for their families were sent home because of a couple of virtue signaling eco terrorist, Greenpeace, decided to close the port down to make a statement because someone was campaigning in Houston that day. And it happened in North Dakota, and and that's exactly what's going on. They they trespass on private property to make a statement. They pay actors to come in and do the same thing. It happened for months with the Dakota Access Pipeline, and I hope the courts offer them some swift justice, and that these groups start to get treated as the terrorist groups that they are because and I do.
Jason Isaac:I hope they get declared a terrorist organization. We can start to see where their funding is coming from, because it would be really nice where these actors are getting paid. They're getting manipulated, to believe something that just isn't true.
H. Sterling Burnett:It wouldn't just we wouldn't just find out where it's coming from. We'd block it. If they're a terrorist group, you can't send money to them anymore.
Jason Isaac:That's right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That'd be a wonderful thing.
H. Sterling Burnett:We suddenly say, sorry, No more money for you and no more tax write off for you if you wanna give them money.
Jason Isaac:Yeah. And you see the heartbreaking groups of these, you know, typically, that's old wealthy white people that have too much time on their hands and nothing better to do. They're they're elites. They think they know what's best for everyone else, and they make these statements like, can't we all just agree? I mean, that's, like, such an elitist thing to say, but they block highways in Washington DC.
Jason Isaac:And you see these these videos that pull on your heartstrings where it's someone that's on parole that's trying to get to see their parole officer, their probation officer, so they don't go back to jail, and they won't clear the highway for them. It's people that are going to work at an hourly job, and if they're late, they're gonna lose their job, and they won't get out of the way for them. They're just crushing the least among us by these protests, by not only driving up at cost of energy, but stopping economic activity and these people from getting to work, and I hope they are held accountable.
Linnea Lueken:Chris just popped into the chat, and he says, regarding that weather question, Isaac asked me on x about an unbiased weather app. As far as those go, most aren't really biased, but they are terrible sources for weather information. Most of them are based on the NOAA GFS model. So
Anthony Watts:Yeah. He's right about that.
Linnea Lueken:Sorry. No kidding. No apps
Anthony Watts:there are no apps out there that are based on the European model that I'm aware of. And then if there was one, I think that would be a winner.
Jason Isaac:Love it. You guys have quite the audience. Chris is, like, listening in live and hears his name pop up. That's great. He is a great he has educated me a ton, which is awesome.
Jason Isaac:He's a great person to follow on x.
Linnea Lueken:Extremely funny follow. Very good stuff. Okay. I have, one quick one that I'm gonna answer really, really fast. Stevie asks, oil is renewable, isn't it?
Linnea Lueken:And I would say not on any time scale that matters.
Jim Lakely:But
Jason Isaac:it is solar energy.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. It is recyclable. It is recyclable.
Linnea Lueken:Oh, that's true. But if you have millions of years to wait for it, then sure. But if you don't, not so much.
Jason Isaac:Organic and so on.
Linnea Lueken:Alrighty. Do we have time for a couple more questions? We're already 20 minutes over.
Jim Lakely:One more.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. Let's go.
Jim Lakely:2 more. 2 more. 2 what
Linnea Lueken:is that?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Quick.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. This is from our friend, Chris, who says, don't we get told that c o two warming doesn't show up until the fifties or so during a time when its effect was greater? Referring to the, saturation chart. Yet now when the effect is less, we're expected to see more warming. I'm confused.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. They're conflating the fact that we had a tremendous economic boom after World War 2, creating huge amounts of infrastructure around the world, which is increasing UHI and and local effects that I've, identified on thermometers. So, yeah, there is a lot of warming that happened after 1950, and climate change is a multifaceted, very, very difficult component trying to isolate all these things. But I can tell you for sure that we see this signature of increased UHI pretty much everywhere in any city you look at in the temperature record there, And that's what's happening after the 1950s. UHI increased.
H. Sterling Burnett:Well, I don't think that's I don't think that's right, Anthony. We do have the UHI increase. There's no question. But the problem is CO 2 started going up dramatically in the fifties with all the postwar production. But remember, temperatures from the fifties to the seventies were cooling globally.
H. Sterling Burnett:That's why they were warning front page items. The next ice age. In fact,
Anthony Watts:there was that
H. Sterling Burnett:cooling even as CO2 went up. So there wasn't, warming in the fifties.
Jason Isaac:There's a problem. We don't live long enough lives. That's Yeah.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. There you go.
Linnea Lueken:Well, heck, I mean, every year
Jason Isaac:happenings and see the warming that was happening then.
Linnea Lueken:Every year of additional satellite data is another good year, to add to the, the the the actual, like, climate timeline of measuring this stuff. Right?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. So We'll be able to answer a lot
Jason Isaac:of these questions in about a 1000 years.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Exactly. Thank you
H. Sterling Burnett:very much.
Jason Isaac:Have to get people oil.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. So here here's Luke again. He wants explanation as to what was meant by oil being recyclable.
H. Sterling Burnett:Oh, you can you can you can purchase used oil. They recycle it. They take dirty oil out of cars. And there are some companies that recycle it and sell it retail. Back when I was young and I had beater vehicles that I couldn't afford the most expensive repairs and replacements, I would buy recycled oil.
H. Sterling Burnett:It says right there, a 100% recycled oil. So I don't know how it's done. I'm not a chemist. I'm not the guy that runs the refinery. I don't know how they do it, but I do know that they do do it.
Anthony Watts:Yep. If you go down to your local Jiffy Lube, they talk about it and you can ask them about it. It's been going on for years.
H. Sterling Burnett:Go. Yeah. Go to your local discount. I used to get my oil when I changed my own oil from, like, 711 or something. I go there and they'd have these yellow.
H. Sterling Burnett:I think it was called Golden State Oil, a 100% recyclable or something like that.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Well, oh, you guys all hear that? That's the goodbye music that's going on. Sterling, I think you said in the private chat I
H. Sterling Burnett:wanna yeah. I wanna end on one real happy note.
Jim Lakely:There you go.
H. Sterling Burnett:Anyone who's seen the stock market knows that it's up tremendously since Trump. Now we all know it's gonna go up. It's gonna go down.
Anthony Watts:It's gonna go up, and it's gonna go down.
H. Sterling Burnett:But you know what stocks did not increase, which dropped dramatically after the stock after Trump was elected? Check your wind energy stocks.
Jim Lakely:That's right.
H. Sterling Burnett:Investments in wind energy, but I I've I've I've just read they went down dramatically.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. And it's not funny. So anyway, I just wanted to put this, this coming up here on YouTube, Rumble and next on today's live show. We've had 1500 live viewers today. So I wanna thank everybody who was in our very active chat today.
Jim Lakely:Thanks for being here, and also bring some friends with you next week. We need to spread the word-of-mouth about this fantastic show every Friday at 1 PM, eastern time. I wanna thank our very special guest, Jason Isaac, the one and only Carbon King, for being here with us today.
Jason Isaac:Thanks for having me, and keep living that carbon lifestyle.
Jim Lakely:That's right. Enjoy your high carbon life style. Yet you flaunted, throw in our faces as much as possible. You're so mean. He's the CEO of the American, American Energy Institute.
Jim Lakely:Did I get that right?
Jason Isaac:Yes. You got it right.
Jim Lakely:Yes, sir. Okay. And visit him on x@atisaacforenergy. You wanna you wanna check out his, his ex post. They're very good.
Jim Lakely:Thank you very much, Ace Doming Burnett, the, exec the, director of our Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy here at the Heartland Institute. Thank you. Linnea Lukin, senior fellow here at the Heartland Institute. And, of course, I I don't know, you're a research fellow. I just gave you a I just gave you a bad
Anthony Watts:bad of Thank you.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. You're welcome. Big news. And, senior fellow Anthony Watts here at the Heartland Institute. We also wanna thank our, our streaming partners who are with us every week, that being, junk science.com, CFACT, Climate Depot, and What's Up With That.
Jim Lakely:Always visit climate realism.com. Always visit climate at a glance.com. Go every day to what's up with that dot com, and always visit heartland.org, where you could subscribe to the Heartland Institute's climate change weekly newsletter. Thanks again, everyone, for watching and listening to the show today, and we'll see you next Friday. Bye bye.
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