The Rise of the New Right - In The Tank #489
Download MP3All right, we are now live. Sorry, we're a little bit late. Complicated business. Welcome to the show, everyone. So politicians like JD Vance, as well as popular figures on the right seem to have a new vision for conservatism and the right in general that bucks the old neocon establishment.
Linnea Lueken:But is it really novel? Or is it actually just a return to tradition? We'll discuss and debate that and what the right might look like after Trump. Also, the Supreme Court has strangely determined that ATF gets to decide if a gun part is a gun itself and can be regulated like one. And another thing Republicans have talked about for years and years is finally on the table, defunding Pravda.
Linnea Lueken:I mean, NPR and PBS. Sorry, big bird. You gotta go. Alright. We are going to talk about all of this and more in episode 489 of the In The Tank podcast.
Linnea Lueken:No. And and that was a very particular case. It wasn't clear if he was radicalized when he got here or while he was living
JD Vance:here. Really care, Margaret. I don't want that person in my country, and I think most Americans agree with me.
Linnea Lueken:Just love that clip. Alright. Welcome to the In the Tank podcast. I am Lanea Lucan. And today, as usual, we have Jim Lakeley, vice president of the Heartland Institute.
Linnea Lueken:Jim, how are you?
Jim Lakely:I am good. I am triggered. The defunding Pravda, the hearings for NPR and PBS in Congress this week triggered me as a former journalist myself. And so we could have done the whole show on that topic. I'm going to try to keep it together so we could hit the main topic today.
Jim Lakely:But so happy to be here.
Linnea Lueken:Former and recovering. Right?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. That's right.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. We also have Chris Talgo, editorial director at the Heartland Institute and Socialism Research Fellow. Chris, how are you?
Chris Talgo:I'm doing good. Today's opening day for baseball, so I think it's, know, a rite of passage. Spring is here, and hopefully, the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series this year.
Linnea Lueken:You're gonna have some enemies in the comments for that one. Alright. We also have Sam Karnik, senior fellow and director of publications for the Heartland Institute. Sam, how's it going where you are?
Sam Karnick:Quite well. Thank you. I hope everything's going well over in the headquarters there.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Well, I think Chris is the only one that's at the office today.
Chris Talgo:Me and Wanda are holding it down.
Jim Lakely:Part of the reason we're late is like scramble to get Chris back on the pod. He just disappeared when we were backstage before the thing started. So apparently there was a power surge or something. Power went out and but got the computer rebooted and here we are. All right.
Linnea Lueken:Classic Illinois. All right. Before we get started, as always, everyone, if you want to support the show, you can go to heartland.org/inthetank and donate there. They won't let anybody give us super chats anymore because we say things that YouTube doesn't like. Also, please click the thumbs up to like this video and remember that sharing it also helps break through some of that suppression that YouTube has on us.
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Linnea Lueken:People are starting to wonder if she's actually right wing controlled opposition because she is not helping the left distance themselves from the crazies at all. She has been paraded in front of cameras all over the place lately. And she recently spoke at a human rights campaign event where she called the governor Greg Abbott, who is paralyzed from the waist down. Well, we'll just play the clip and you guys can listen for yourself if you haven't seen it yet. Because we in these hot ass Texas streets, honey.
Linnea Lueken:Y'all know we got governor Hot Wheels down there. Come on now. And and the only thing hot about him is that he is a hot ass mess, honey. So so yes. Yes.
Linnea Lueken:Yes. Yes. Well, that's awkward. Okay. Well, it actually it actually kind of reminds me of that one time.
Linnea Lueken:I don't know if you guys remember this. I think I only remember this because Steven Crowder made a joke about it. But that time Biden told Missouri Senator Chuck Graham to stand up so that people could see him in a crowd. He was also wheelchair bound. But at least Biden's was like an honest gaffe.
Linnea Lueken:He apologized like two seconds later and, senator Graham didn't seem to take it too badly. Crockett's comment, though, I don't think it's quite the same thing, guys.
Chris Talgo:So Jasmine Crockett has become the, you know, the the vocal opposition, but it's but it's interesting because she is always, you know, dropping f bombs and, you know, just saying, like, very crude things. It it her style, her delivery, it's very juvenile, you know, once again, very crude. But if you go back and look at the way she used to speak, the way that she used to articulate herself, it was very different. So it makes me actually believe that this is all an act. This is all an act because guess what?
Chris Talgo:She's getting tons of airplay. She's all over the, you know, at CNN and MSNBC and, you know, the, you know, mainstream media. But I don't think this is who she really is. And if you look back four or five years ago at at how she, you know, spoke and she it's just completely different. So, you know, she's she's just acting.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, Jasmine Crockett is, she went to the most expensive private school in Saint Louis as a kid. There's a video that kinda went viral over the last week or two on x of her, being interviewed before she had run for congress or as she was running for congress, and she, you know, spoke and acted like a normal human adult human being. And, you know, so this whole ghetto girl thing is a complete act, and it's, it's really remarkable that she's getting away with it, that her own party isn't even mocking her for, you know, for this whole this whole charade. I mean, I guess she wants to be included in the squad or something if she's not already in there.
Jim Lakely:So, you know, since what Cory Bush got got dumped out of congress, she was one of the charter members of the socialist squad in the in the house of representatives. Maybe, Jasmine's just trying to take that spot.
Sam Karnick:I think it's good that you mentioned the squad because it appears to me that Crockett is sort of becoming the, the one who normalizes the weirdness of the Democrats by, making these absurd statements that will draw attention to her. And it it makes AOC, for example, who is going around the country with Bernie Sanders, look relatively statesman or stateswoman like in comparison. So this may not be an accident that, she's getting all this attention.
Linnea Lueken:Do you think that this is, like, very intentionally planned out, this attitude that she has now because they're trying to compete with the, like, Trumpism, you know, the the the momentum that the right has gained with being a little bit edgier in their public appearance?
Chris Talgo:I think I think this is somewhat emblematic of the media moment that we live in where you can just say something completely outrageous and get a sound bite and it can, quote go viral and you can share it on your social media, which I'm sure she is a huge social media person. And when you really think about it, she doesn't ever talk about policy. She never talks about things in substance. She always just talks about, you know, art like the very superficial, you know, nature of of of these things, and she always attacks people. And it just goes to show that she's not a serious person.
Chris Talgo:She's not actually she doesn't seem to me to be interested in solving the problems that the American people, you know, are dealing with, but she's just trying to get as much attention as possible. So I think this is all about herself. I think she's very narcissistic, And I think that this is very, you know, symbolic of the modern day, you know, Democrat party where it's all just trying to, you know, get, you know, get out there and, you know, say something outrageous and, you know, they just, you know, just see what happens.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Thank you. So if we don't have anything else to comment on this one, we can move on to our first topic of today. So this isn't something that the Heartland Institute covers all that often. So from Fox News here we have upholds Biden administration ghost gun regulation.
Linnea Lueken:The US Supreme Court on Wednesday upheld the Biden administration's regulation of so called ghost guns by a seven to two vote. At issue was whether the devices meet the federal definition of a firearm and frame and receiver and whether the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives or ATF exceeded its authority to regulate and enforce their sale. Ghost guns are do it yourself functional weapons that are often purchased online and marketed by some sellers as easy to assemble. The Justice Department said that more than 19,000 hard to trace ghost guns were seized by law enforcement in 2021, a more than tenfold increase in just five years. That was in part driven by recent technological advances, many containing polymer based unassembled firearm components.
Linnea Lueken:And I would add to that the popularity of like PAD parts kits and stuff. So I'm going to give our viewers a little show and tell lesson here in case they're not aware. So I've been looking forward to doing this. So I'm going to explain what exactly this ruling is looking at and what it's not looking at. So if we take here, let me just move this out of the way.
Linnea Lueken:If we take here, this is a firearm, right? It's a pistol. This is the whole gun, all the components, no magazine in. We are safe. Trust me, guys.
Linnea Lueken:Don't worry about it. So when you take the slide off, what you have is the frame, you have the trigger assembly, you have your hammer assembly. So the frame of the pistol is what's considered a gun by the ATF traditionally. And so that's what needs to be serialized. For a while, the frame that was incomplete as in it's not been machined in a way that would actually allow you to put the trigger and the slide and everything onto it and make it work.
Linnea Lueken:So this is one that needed to be sanded down, cut a bit, drilled into whatever in order to make it functional. That was what's called an 80% frame, and that was not considered a firearm. That's what they mean when they're talking about a ghost gun. Biden's ATF changed that. So now 80% frames as in a just the just either the polymer, like the plastic part.
Linnea Lueken:In this case, it's metal. But just the frame is considered a firearm or a gun. So they now will require a background check to buy just the frame, not with the trigger in it, not with the hammer assembly in it, just the frame. Gun right advocates argue that this is silly because it's arbitrary and an incomplete frame is obviously not a gun. There is a very funny joke that runs around on X right now where people just show, like, a block of aluminum and they say this is an incomplete receiver for an AR.
Linnea Lueken:Is this a firearm? So it's a little bit complicated. I have a good breakdown here by someone in the three d print and second amendment law space named Ivan, who gives a good summary. This is on Twitter, if we can pull up, I don't know if we have the link for that. I posted it in email earlier.
Linnea Lueken:But otherwise, I'll just read it. This is from a user called at Navi go boom, who says my summary on the Vanderstock ruling, bad things. All in one kits need serial numbers, background checks, polymer 80 friends and frames and things as easy to complete as them need serial numbers and background checks. The ATF retains their new rule endorsed ability to come up with arbitrary decisions about what is and isn't a firearm. The good things.
Linnea Lueken:This ruling does not have a bearing on your ability to make guns yourself. You don't need to put serial numbers on your stuff. And what he means by that is if you three d print a frame yourself at home, this rule does not apply to that. You don't get have to go get that serialized. So ghost guns that they claim they're really worried about meaning like the three d printed polymer ghost guns are actually not banned by this ruling.
Linnea Lueken:AR 1580% kits are also not part of it, at least for now. Flats blanks tubes forging cetera are all unaffected, and the court does not endorse the eight hours in the machine shop test, instead pointed to one hour unskilled with power tools as being an example that's clearly readily converted. So part of the issue with this ruling is that they are claiming that any gun can be readily or any gun part that can be readily converted into a working gun part all of a sudden falls under the category of a firearm. But they don't really make a solid definition on what they mean by readily defining. Okay.
Linnea Lueken:Or readily made. So this stuff, if you're if you are in the firearm space is not unusual at all. Recently, just a couple years ago, the ATF sent a very popular gun YouTuber to jail for nearly fifty years for selling machine guns. When what he was actually doing was advertising or promoting a thing called an auto key card, which is a little metal card like a business card size thing with a picture of a part on it that the ATF alleges can transform any AR into a machine gun. It doesn't actually do that.
Linnea Lueken:And the ATF was unable to prove that it could do that, but they still threw him in jail as well as the inventors of that gimmick card, And his lawyers are still fighting about it. So like I said, we don't talk about gun stuff a lot here at the Heartland Institute, Chris, but it is important. So I wanted to bring it up today. The ATF might be one of one of the most capricious departments in government. Anyone who's ever thought it was okay to, like, shorten a shotgun barrel found that out really, really fast.
Linnea Lueken:So can do you think that can Bondi's DOJ can actually step in on these kinds of issues? Or do you think it's just gonna be like another Republican administration that ignores this stuff as it's getting eroded?
Chris Talgo:Well, I really hope they do. And, you know, I'm confident that they will. And, you know, I've been at Heartland for seven years now. And, you know, when I first started here, we did, you know, a lot on guns and gun rights because you know, the Second Amendment is one of the most, you know, important significant rights that we can have and there's a very good reason why it was put there. It was put there because the founders knew that if you disarmed the people or made it, you know, exceedingly difficult for them to, you know, to, you know, get a a gun that, you know, that was a a threat to their liberty, a threat to our liberty, and it is.
Chris Talgo:And, you know, when you just think that, you know, past, you know, thirty, forty years, there have been so many regulations upon gun manufacturers and just so many, you know, laws passed that I think are unconstitutional. Know, it just this is, I think, you know, just that that trend moving more in that direction. But I do think, and we'll talk about this later with the rise of the new right, that there might be some big, big pushback to this. And I really hope so. And, just what I've seen so far from, you know, Pam Bondi and, you know, Cash Patel and all the people who are, you know, really in charge of these agencies, I think they're gonna definitely step up to the plate and do what needs to be done.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Well, and what's interesting right now is it seems like the space that has the best, like, lawyers and the best people who know what they're talking about on these issues aren't necessarily the people who are in the generalized second amendment advocacy area, but it's rather people who are actively involved with manufacturing and and, like, home three d printing communities and stuff like that. They seem to be the ones that are, like, super on top of everything that's going on and all the particulars of regulation that the ATF has been basically just harassing people with for the last couple of decades. It's really interesting
Chris Talgo:to see. And that is such a good point because there have been so many examples of the ATF. And the FBI, I think, was guilty of doing this many times too where they create crimes. And there have been so many times where they go and they try to get someone to buy, you know, sawed off shotgun or to buy, you know, a quote unquote machine gun. And, you know, it's almost like they're trying to create the crime, you know, in the first place.
Chris Talgo:And, you know, we've seen this time and time again, you know, and it's, you know, I would be I really hope and from what I saw this morning where the, you know, FBI and some other, you know, agencies worked with some federal, I mean, some local and state agencies in Virginia to go and get the leader of MS thirteen. That's a big deal. We should be going against people like that, not people who are manufacturing, quote, ghost guns. So, I mean, like, that's what this should be about. And I really think that that we're gonna see a re a reorientation of these agencies is to actually going after real criminals, not Americans who are abiding by the law, but maybe, you know, running afoul of these, you know, incredibly complex, you know, regulations that I think are unconstitutional in the first place.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Sam, what do you what do you have anything to, pitch in on this?
Sam Karnick:Yes. I do. The the first thing that the court should be asking is where in the constitution, is alcohol or tobacco or firearms mentioned as, something for congress and the president to regulate in any way. It's not there. That is all, for the states to do.
Sam Karnick:And so when they and and then, of course, there's the second amendment on top of that saying specifically that they can't regulate firearms. So what what's interesting, though, to me beyond that is that the court over the last three or four years has been consistently going much more into the meanings of words. They're very analytical about that. And and the justice that I think is most intensive about that is probably, Amy Coney Barrett. And I think what's going on here is that in this present case, the use of language, it has been pretty kind of sneaky.
Sam Karnick:Justice Justice Thomas in in his dissent wrote, congress could have authorized ATF to regulate any part of a firearm or any object readily convertible into one, but it did not. I would adhere to the words congress enacted. Employing its novel, quote, artifact noun, quote, methodology, the majority charts a different course that invites unforeseeable consequences and offers no limiting principle. Well, what Thomas is referring to there is, an artifact noun is is is a noun that refers to something that is made by humans as opposed to a rock or a, a lung, for example. So I I suppose there are artificial lungs, so I've even made a bad example there.
Sam Karnick:But the the point is that an artifact noun, the what they've done is they've said, well, if it's a piece of a gun, if it's a kit, then it's a gun. And so the example, that, some friends of the court wrote was, if you send somebody a kit to make an omelet, you're sending them an omelet. That's simply not true. And that's what what Thomas was referring to is that they're using they're using semantics and clever words to get to somewhere that they wanna get. I would I would suggest that Barrett is sincere in her, approach here, but I think it is becoming something of an infection of the court and it's going to have some bad consequences as Thomas pointed out.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. It gets it gets incredibly crazy and and, you know, almost to the point of humor when you look up, you know, the, say, the NFA rules on a short barreled rifle versus, like, what's what you need a tax stamp for, what you don't need a tax stamp for. It's pretty crazy, actually. And if people will go and look up some of the comparison charts that are floating around out there, some of our European friends probably don't quite understand the nuances of this debate maybe. But, you know, you'll look at, like, three firearms that are functionally the exact same firearm.
Linnea Lueken:And one of them is you'll get thrown in jail if you own because it has, like, a different kind of stock than another one. But the actual function of the firearm is the exact same across all the versions. It's just it's nuts. It's very stupid. It's clearly just control tactics.
Linnea Lueken:They're they're nibbling at the edges of the second amendment in order to try and, you know, get rid of it entirely, I think.
Chris Talgo:I also just wanted
Sam Karnick:May mention may I mention that these are things that should not even be under discussion? Congress and the president have no authority to deal with any of this, and all of this should be shut down. The court should have shut it down decades ago, but they choose not to.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll I'll just add, Lynea. You must have gotten an a in show and tell in school because that was a fantastic show and tell with your with your pistol.
Speaker 6:I love show
Jim Lakely:and tell. We're you know, we're having a hard enough time trying to get this channel remonetized. You just killed that probably by displaying a scary firearm. And Oh,
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Oh, yeah. No.
Linnea Lueken:We're never getting monetized.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. We're getting remonetized now. So you gotta go to you gotta go to heartland.org/inthetank to support this program for sure. That is the best way to do it.
Linnea Lueken:For the for the purpose of for the purpose of the YouTube moderators, this was a fake gun, a real fake gun.
Jim Lakely:And
Linnea Lueken:it's for educational purposes only.
Jim Lakely:Educational purposes only. Yes. Alright. Just
Chris Talgo:just don't give it to Alec Baldwin. Okay?
Jim Lakely:That's right. You got away from Alec Baldwin
Linnea Lueken:for I not get hurt. Third, it's
Jim Lakely:like, you know, we live in such a weird time, you know, and there were there maybe there still are, but it's certainly not as prevalent as it used to be in the fifties and sixties where there were gun clubs and shooting clubs in schools. They had shooting teams in school. They compete and they would leave their rifles in their trucks on school property and it was fine. It was a total thing. It just totally normal.
Jim Lakely:And now we live in a society in which the media and our government especially, they're exploiting an irrational fear of firearms that has developed in the public consciousness to do what you said, is nibble away at the second amendment little by little. And, you know, to have this happen, you know, right now as Donald Trump had just taken office is a little discouraging. But I know the case precedes his presidency, obviously. But here we are. And that the only two justices who are not fine with the continuing nibbling of our second amendment rights are the two we expect it to be, Alito and Justice Thomas.
Jim Lakely:So I wish Alito and Thomas the best of health and a nice long continuing long career on the supreme court so that our rights can be protected.
Chris Talgo:I I just I just wanna add one thing to that real quick. Amy Comey Barrett, she's been a big disappointment for me. Unfortunately, I think that she is more concerned with, you know, cocktail parties in Washington DC and her reputation and maintaining her like these friendships than she is actually just about doing the right thing. And it's really sad because I had high hopes for her, but many
Linnea Lueken:of
Chris Talgo:the rulings that she's made know, in the past few years, I'm big time questioning, and I think that she is, you know, John Roberts two point o where once they get on the court, they they, you know, realize, hey. You know what? We're not always gonna stand on the side of constitutional principles. Sometimes we need to kinda bend it because, you know, we need to make sure that we stay in, you know, good the good graces of, you know, all these DC elites. So, I mean, I know that that's a little bit conjecture on my part, but I just I can't help but wonder if that's what's going on here because she was such a constitutional, you know, originalist.
Chris Talgo:And all of a sudden, she's making these, you know, strange, bizarre rulings where she's twisting herself into a pretzel. And I'm just it's very it it it's it's disappointing.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I think, unfortunately, some people just can't stand up to the pressure too. Right? Like, it could be twofold. It's one, wanting to impress people in DC and two, you know, being afraid, you know, oh, well, we've got all these smart people who are telling me and and not in, like, second guessing yourself on some of your positions.
Linnea Lueken:I think that might be going on with her as well. Sam, I think you have something you wanna add to that. I can tell.
Sam Karnick:Oh, well, I was just thinking about it. I think the alternative explanation is actually very plausible, which is that this is who she is and this is who she was from the start. And this is in fact who she what she portrayed herself as being in her confirmation hearings, which is that she's very into originalism. But her idea of originalism is a little bit different from, say, Thomas's and Alito's. Her idea of originalism really does come from Antonin Scalia.
Sam Karnick:And you remember Scalia, quote, unquote, disappointed the right, several times, by saying that that such and such a a law was okay to do, even though it it seemed to be go against the, first, the first or second amendment, or it seemed to go against it certainly went against the notion of enumerated powers. So, she does seem to be, sort of a Scalia two point o. So we're going to be disappointed at the, outcomes of some of her, thought down the road. But oftentimes she's going to be on the right side of things as well.
Linnea Lueken:Yep. Alright. We'll move on. I wanted to mention to the audience in case you saw my wincing earlier. I was putting my fake demonstration gun back together and I and it nipped me.
Linnea Lueken:It pinched my fingers. So that's why I cringed earlier. Not from anything our good panelists were saying.
Jim Lakely:See how dangerous they are? Oh my gosh.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. These we have to ban these things. I pinched the palm of my hand with it. Okay. So speaking of taxpayer funded things that we might want to get rid of from the center square, we have NPR and PBS defend work as Republicans consider cuts.
Linnea Lueken:The US House delivering on government efficiency subcommittee held a hearing Wednesday where leaders from the National Public Radio and Public Broadcasting Service defended their work, which is partially federally funded. The hearing comes as the Department of Government Efficiency has hacked away at various parts of the federal government and criticism of the left leaning national coverage from PBS and NPR, as well as some of its transgenderism coverage has drawn criticism. Catherine Marr, Marr, Mayor?
Jim Lakely:Marr. Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:Marr. That's what I thought. Chief Executive Officer and President of NPR and Paula Kerger, Chief Executive Officer and President of PBS testified at the hearing. Marr says she understands the skepticism and that internally the problem is being taken seriously, but said NPR should still receive funding because it has Americans trust since when. Alright, Jim.
Linnea Lueken:I know you have a lot to say here. Is NPR a vital American institution? Is it the only way for, rural Americans to get the news as Democrats are currently claiming?
Jim Lakely:No. All of America is saddled with I should say all of legacy media. Their job is not to report news. Their job is to promote the Democrat Party and push leftist messaging and globalist messaging and to Spencer any thoughts or communications that go counter to that. If there's a Democrat in office, if Joe Biden is president, they are in the regime protection business.
Jim Lakely:They are not in the news business. And of all of the media, NPR is probably the worst offender in this. We have several clips here that I gathered and that it triggered me while I was doing it. So maybe we can get some of those on screen here. So let's pardon me, so I don't know I have what one, two, three, I have like five clips.
Jim Lakely:We could spend the entire show on this. I don't think we should. But let me let's start with this one. This is kind of a wrap up. This is from, I believe, the Washington Free Beacon.
Jim Lakely:They did a a quick clip on this, so let's have a watch.
Speaker 6:We are biased. I have never seen any instance of Never? Of pro political bias determining editorial decisions. No.
Speaker 7:Do you believe that white people inherently feel superior to other races?
Speaker 6:I do not.
Speaker 7:You don't? You you tweeted something to that effect. You said, I I grew up feeling superior. How how white of me?
Speaker 6:I think I was probably reflecting on what it was to be to grow up in an environment where I had lots of advantages.
Speaker 7:Do you believe that America believes in black plunder and white
Speaker 6:democracy? I don't democracy? I don't believe that, sir.
Speaker 7:You you tweeted that in reference to a book you were reading at at the time, apparently, the case for reparations.
Speaker 6:I don't think I've ever read that book, sir.
Speaker 7:Do you think that white people should pay reparations?
Speaker 6:I I have never said that, sir.
Speaker 7:In January of twenty twenty, you tweeted, yes, the North. Yes, all of us. Yes, America. Yes, our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes, reparations.
Speaker 7:Yes, on this day.
Speaker 6:I think it was just a reference to the idea that we all owe much to the people who came before us.
Speaker 7:That that's a bizarre way to frame what you tweeted. NPR also, promoted a book called In Defense of Looting. Do you think that that's an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars?
Speaker 6:I'm unfamiliar with that book, sir, and I don't believe that was at my end of my that
Speaker 7:you read that book. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:So so look. Yeah. Like I said, I pulled a lot of clips. We probably don't have the time to go over them. I know we don't, but I just had to keep going because X was just full of all of these clips.
Jim Lakely:And, you know, what happened in that hearing yesterday is is like if you were to, you know, revisit the Aztec culture, Quistadors arrived in Mexico. I mean, Catherine Mar was laid out for slaughter yesterday in original sacrifice to the god of Doge. And, I must say I'm not disgusted, at at the at the spectacle, to be honest, because she was not some innocent, you know, kidnapped, you know, and sacrificed. She is the head of NPR. Katherine Maher, before this, was the head of Wikipedia or Wikimedia, the company that controls Wikipedia, and gave speeches about how she gave TED Talks, of course, TED Talks.
Jim Lakely:And with that tone of voice that is so annoying in a typical TED talk, like she's talking to 10 year olds and she knows best. And she talked about how, you know, the pursuit of truth is actually not a not something we should be doing at Wikipedia and Wikipedia. It's not because there is really no truth. There is your truth and your experiences and that is better than actual truth, which explains a lot because I tried for years to get the Heartland Institute's Wikipedia page to not be completely full of lies. I think the only thing they have correct on our Wikipedia page is our address.
Jim Lakely:The rest of it pretty much are all lies and I tried to have it corrected and I was shut down. And, you know, Wikipedia is great if you wanted to look up, say, the years of the term of James Madison as president. But if you wanted to if you want to do anything on any controversial, quote unquote controversial topic like a conservative organization like the Heartland Institute, Wikipedia is full of lies. This this woman is actually the perfect head of NPR because she's she is a global elitist to the T. She was what organization she was she had affiliations with UNICEF, the Atlantic Council, the World Economic Forum, the State Department, Stanford University, the Council on Foreign Relations.
Jim Lakely:She grew up in wealth and privilege. She married into more wealth and privilege. She is completely out of touch with with the American people. And as in some of the questioning, as Congressman Jim Jordan pointed out, they did a survey and they have 87 staffers that do editorial work at NPR. Eighty seven out of 87 are all Democrats And she is sitting up there getting hammered about this sort of thing, the bias and frankly the lies and the narratives that NPR is involved in.
Jim Lakely:And she says, no, we are an objective, unbiased news organization. Your tax dollars are paying her salary, your tax dollars are paying for everybody's salary over there, and for NPR to exist. They always say every year, every time we should start defunding NPR and PBS, they bring out Big Bird and they bring out Elmo and they had them crying and like, oh, your children will will now cry with Elmo and Big Bird because Sesame Street is gone. Sesame Street is actually gone. HBO bought it, and I think they're dumping it now because they can't make money on it either.
Jim Lakely:NPR, if it wants to be American propped up, NPR is free to do it. Just not we don't have we shouldn't be having to pay for it. They should be able to find rich globalist Marxist like like where she came from, and she knows all these people. They can fund NPR. And then we we shouldn't be funding it.
Jim Lakely:That's that's all I have to say about that. That's actually not all I have to say about that, but it's enough for now.
Chris Talgo:I remember in seventh grade social studies class, mister Levitsky, shout out to mister Levitsky. I hope he's still alive. He was an awesome teacher, really, you know, got me excited and into politics and history and all this stuff. And he had this thing where we would watch the McNell Lair NewsHour, and we would pick, three current event topics, and we would just write, like, a couple paragraphs. Never gonna forget this.
Chris Talgo:That back then, this was probably ninety three, four, five ish, you know, like that time frame. It was actually, you know, pretty down the middle. And now it is completely not down the middle. It is totally biased towards the left. We all know this.
Chris Talgo:It's just totally obvious, okay. In terms of funding, so NPR I believe receives 500,000,000 in federal funds per year, but that is not the extent of federal funding that they get because they also receive money from public stations that have to kick back funds to NPR. So there's that aspect of it as well. And they've received tons and tons of money from, liberal foundations like Ford Foundation and all these other Rockefeller Foundation, all these others. So they, like these universities, are just sitting in money, yet they are just squealing like pigs about to be slaughtered because we're saying, hey, wait a second, we gotta cut off this 500,000,000, you know, direct, you know, tax, you know, from taxpayers right to you.
Chris Talgo:They can obviously go on without the 500,000,000. They could probably also go on if they were just to be completely, you know, on their own privatized and not even have to get any sort of, you know, payments from local broadcast stations. These things were, you know, originally intended to, I guess, be a competitor to the big three, NBC, ABC, and CBS. NPR, for example, was founded in 1970. Although if you really look back, it was chartered during the great society of Mdimi Johnson.
Chris Talgo:So it was obviously, you know, a politicized entity I think from the get go. But you know what? We live in a completely different media environment. There's streaming services. There's Sirius radio.
Chris Talgo:There are so there's, you know, social media, there's YouTube. There are so many ways for people to get the news that they, you know, want to get. And it does not need to be a publicly funded, you know, news, you know, organization. So to me it's just, it is so obvious that NPR and PBS are, you know very, very much as Jim said, you know just relaying, you know leftist talking points. I listen to it every once in a while, you know, just to kind of hear what they're saying and how they're framing things.
Chris Talgo:It's wild, it's, you know, out of this world. So, you know what, I'm so glad that Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jim Jordan and these other people really held their feet to the fire. And like Jim said, I mean, this woman is is just so out of touch, and it just so she is is so, you know, just it it it makes me sick to watch her, you know, you know, get in front of congress, and they're they're literally showing her what she said a few years ago. And then she's saying, oh, I've come I I've evolved I've evolved since that. And, you know, I I don't believe that anymore.
Chris Talgo:But you never came out and said anything against it. The only time you said anything against it is when you were, you know, put on, you know, in front of congress and you are made to respond to it. I would have a completely different, you know, opinion of this If she had come out maybe two years ago and said, you know what? I was getting caught up in the 2020 George Floyd crazy stuff, and I went too far, but she never did that. She's never done that.
Chris Talgo:And we know, I think, that, you know, it was a it was a not genuine, you know, apology. She never said, you know what, I apologize for saying those things. It was just very much more about trying to obfuscate. So I don't know, the American people I think they see through this and I think that this is the beginning of the end for NPR and PBS. And I I'm very glad.
Sam Karnick:There never was any
Chris Talgo:Chris rant.
Linnea Lueken:Go ahead. That was people don't appreciate the Chris rant enough. Sorry, Sam. What were you saying?
Sam Karnick:There just never was any justification for public radio, television, or anything of the sort. There never was. You say, well, in the nineteen sixties, oh, jeez. There's only there's only two TV stations in this city. We need another one.
Sam Karnick:It's like, woah. What would be so wrong with people reading books and newspapers in magazines? Or or we need a we need a radio station. Why? There are tons of radio stations.
Sam Karnick:They're they're all over the place. So there never was any justification even originally. The whole purpose of it was to create a propta, to create a government a government owned product and government run product that would basically, let's say, send messages to the American people and try to train them up to think the way the government wants them to. There was never any excuse for that, and it's it's a ridiculous and stupid thing. And it's it's an interesting question.
Sam Karnick:Why on earth Republicans let this go on and on and on over the decades? That they really believed it was a good thing. Now they have a a president and an administration and a movement that recognizes that that this is bogus and rubbish and horrible and that it has to go. And so it's it's interesting how political courage tends to come from the, getting an advantage out of taking a particular position. So now the the doing the brave thing of, wanting to defund NPR.
Sam Karnick:You're not you're not necessarily some sort of, weird rando like Rand Paul out there, saying, you know, let's get rid of the Fed. You're you're actually, heading toward the mainstream. It it's it's a silly thing, and it was it was stupid from the start. One of the interesting things I thought of the hearing was that the Meijer didn't even start as NPR president until last year. So all the things that they were citing were things that she could say, well, I didn't have anything to do with that.
Sam Karnick:And and so that was, that's an interesting thing, but they did kind of hold her feet to the fire saying, well, you're the boss here. Would you would you continue to do that? And I and I love the fact that she said that, I never saw any political bias here. Right. Because there were 87 or however many Democrats working on the staff there, and and you're on top of them, above them as the as another Democrat, so you probably wouldn't notice any bias.
Sam Karnick:The whole thing is ridiculous. Get rid of it.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Absolutely. I'll just I'll just add. You know, as I mentioned, Lynne, I'm a recovering journalist. It's been, I think, eight years, four months and twelve days since my last story that I wrote for the Legacy Media.
Linnea Lueken:But I actually
Jim Lakely:got an interview to be part of National Public Radio as a reporter. I when I covered the White House, a friend of mine, I won't mention his name. I don't think he's with NPR anymore. But, you know, even though he worked for NPR and I worked for the Washington Times, we became friends traveling around together. And there was an opening, and I said, you know, hey.
Jim Lakely:I'd like to can I get an interview for that? Or what do you think? And he said, So he arranged it. And I did a phone interview. I talked to an editor at NPR for about fifteen minutes.
Jim Lakely:I never got a callback, never got an audition or anything like that. But I am certain I would have been the only Republican working at NPR, and so it would have been eighty six and one if I was still there because all 87 of them that are currently on staff are all Democrats. And look, the the target audience for for NPR, I don't listen to it much. My wife actually listens to it once in a while in the car and reports back on how kind of annoying it is and just irrelevant really to what's going on in the world. The target audience for NPR are so called 'awfuls', affluent white female liberals.
Jim Lakely:Those AWFLs, those affluent white liberal women seem to be in control of almost so many of our elite institutions in this country in government and outside of government. And if if Catherine Maher wants to, you know, start her own YouTube channel and compete with Meghan Markle to see who can be the most annoying, affluent, liberal woman in America, good for her. She should go do that. We should not be paying for, the programming of a very small subset of America. All of us shouldn't be having to pay for that.
Jim Lakely:MBR should be able to compete in the marketplace. If it was forced to compete in the marketplace, maybe we would have a return of something, even though it was biased, something like the McNeil Lehrer NewsHour back in the day. In the eighties, you know, NPR and PBS were biased to the left. They were not outright propaganda arms for one party. They don't have reporters at NPR.
Jim Lakely:They have narrators. They have people who just push the narrative of the leftist viewpoint on literally every subject. And as soon you know, we we don't time to play the clips now. We wanna get to our main topic. But, you know, Jim Jordan had pointed out that they interviewed Adam Schiff something like 25 times about Russia, Russia, Russia, and they never once had a republican, James Comey Comey, is that his name?
Jim Lakely:That's not James Comey. That's the wrong guy. Comer. That's him. The congressman on the other side to counter him.
Jim Lakely:Never. Not once. They didn't cover the Hunter Biden laptop story because they said it was fake news and they weren't going to waste their time with it. And of course, that was actually most significant story of the twenty twenty presidential election, and they completely ignored it on purpose. And they like to think it was just because it wasn't real news.
Jim Lakely:The reason they didn't cover it is because they knew it was real news, and it would damage Joe Biden, and that's why they didn't report on it. So good you know, maybe, Sam, you know this as well as I do because you're a little older on your own on the older side just like me, and so you know that Republicans have been talking about defunding NPR and PBS for decades, and it never happens. We are now in the results business. That is people who are watching our politicians, especially on the right. And we're going to talk about the new right.
Jim Lakely:We're in the results business now. We're not going to we're not going to be in the talking business anymore. And so if the Republican Party wants to be a real party and exercise the actual power that the voters gave them, they need to do something as simple and as small as this, defund NPR and PBS. You can put it into a continuing resolution or something or do it with reconciliation. You can do it.
Jim Lakely:Do it finally.
Linnea Lueken:Right. This is such a good segue into our main topic, and it wouldn't be in the tank if we didn't spend an hour on on the not main topics before we get into the main topic. But guys, we're going go late, probably quite late, because this is something that we have been wanting to cover for a little bit here. Last week after the show was finished, we talked a little bit about the last decade forward in politics and people in my generation and the way that they're voting and kind of our version of a new conservative mindset. And as we were like halfway through this conversation that we went on for twenty, thirty minutes after the show was over, I thought, man, I wish we were still live because it was a really good discussion.
Linnea Lueken:So we decided that we were going to bring it forward this week. So people part of what we were talking about last week was that people in my generation, probably give or take a decade, have developed kind of a strong skepticism of a lot of, say, sacred cows for the conservatism that we grew up in. It's not just like a young people have to rebel thing. It's a Republicans and establishment conservatism, as we just talked about on a couple of the topics for today, where we said we've been talking about defunding NPR forever, and it's just never happened from the Republican establishment. We talk about getting rid of the ATF or repealing the NSA, and it never happens from conservatives and government.
Linnea Lueken:So they have they have been failing us. And so we've looked around and said, well, why haven't things worked out the way that conservatives and some libertarians have promised they would? You know, if only we had this kind of globalist economy, if only we had, you know, a very kind of loosey goosey approach to government and the, like, social atmosphere of the country. So why is it then that people my age are feeling so desolate and reaching for sometimes extreme ideologies like socialism even? There are a lot of interesting thinkers coming up on the right who are taking approaches that haven't really seen the light of public discourse since maybe, like before World War Two.
Linnea Lueken:So let's let's take this clip from JD Vance for an example. Want to play it. It's one of my favorite things that he's he said since he became vice president.
JD Vance:Challenges that the nations represented here face, I believe there is nothing more urgent than mass migration. Today, almost one in five people living in this country moved here from abroad. That is, of course, an all time high. It's a similar number by the way in The United States, also an all time high. The number of immigrants who entered the EU from non EU countries doubled between twenty twenty one and 2022 alone.
JD Vance:And of course, it's gotten much higher since. And we know the situation, it didn't materialize in a vacuum. It's the result of a series of conscious decisions made by politicians all over the continent and others across the world over the span of a decade. We saw the horrors wrought by these decisions yesterday in this very city. And of course, I can't bring it up again without thinking about the terrible victims who had a beautiful winter day in Munich ruined.
JD Vance:Our thoughts and prayers are with them and will remain with them. But why did this happen in the first place? It's a terrible story, but it's one we've heard way too many times in Europe and unfortunately too many times in The United States as well. An asylum seeker, often a young man in his mid 20s already known to police rams a car into a crowd and shatters a community. How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilization in a new direction?
Linnea Lueken:All right. We have one more, I think. I don't know. That wasn't quite the one that I was thinking of, but it's also a good one. Whoops.
Linnea Lueken:We got our we got our clips shuffled a little bit here. Do we have the other one?
Jim Lakely:I'm sorry about that. No, that was the link I went to.
Linnea Lueken:Tim, we've lost your sound now.
Jim Lakely:You've lost my sound? Oh my. You can't hear me?
Chris Talgo:I can hear you.
Linnea Lueken:Uh-oh. Okay.
Chris Talgo:So here, can I can I just go with this for a second? So I think what what the new ride the rise of the new ride is about is about
Linnea Lueken:I can't hear anyone now. Maybe it's me.
Chris Talgo:Oh, no. Oh, no. Is
Linnea Lueken:Major technical issue as soon as we get to the main topic, that's classic. Thumbs up if you
Chris Talgo:want you to comment about this. Okay. So that's why this is. So what I think the new right is doing is actually making it easier for young people to, to to prosper in this country. So I think for the past, you know, thirty, forty, fifty years, whether it's these outrageous, you know, cost of college, you know, young people, they just cannot get a leg up.
Chris Talgo:And what J. D. Vance and Donald Trump have been saying is that this populist movement is about making your life better. It's about, you know, going it's really about making sure that they have opportunities and not globalization and not, you know, taking all these jobs and going overseas and and all this stupid stuff that we've seen happen for decades, and it has not made people in my age group and younger better off. I mean, a lot of them are graduating with tens and tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, then they can't get a good job, then they can't buy a car.
Chris Talgo:Of course, they can't buy a home. So they they can't do things. They aren't getting married, they aren't starting families. It is just so difficult for people, I'd say, under 30 years old to really get a start in this new economy. And then we when we think back to the way that it was, and back in the old days, and I don't mean like the old old days, but maybe, you know, fifties, sixties, those those years, if you went to college or you graduated from high school and you got a job, you could actually provide for your family, you could buy a nice home, you could afford things, you could afford vacations, all those things.
Chris Talgo:They were they were affordable. They're not affordable anymore. And that's I think what this is really about. And it there are so many reasons why this is not affordable anymore. A lot of it's, you know, the the crazy government spending, the stupid regulations.
Chris Talgo:But really what this is about is the American people saying we've had enough of this. We want the ability to really do to just do what we can do, and that's what this is, you know, really trying to make sure that they have the opportunity to do.
Sam Karnick:There are a lot of elements to this. There are a lot of elements to this, and I think one of the biggest is technological change. The the a lot of the objections to what American society has turned into have to do with the impositions of government on the people. And the the people have been basically stuck dealing just accepting whatever the government does. So when when they say, okay.
Sam Karnick:We're going to we're we're going to have a, 30,000 page, trade deal that will be we'll call it free trade. Okay? 30,000 pages to define free trade. Right? So we're gonna have 60,000 page free trade deal, and then, everything will be nice because everybody in The United States will just be a lawyer or a, I don't know, a movie actor or a rock star.
Sam Karnick:And no one will have to build anything because they'll build it all in Mexico and China and Africa and India. And you'll just just chill and and do whatever you want. Have a good time. And we'll have universal basic income and so forth. What we have here is is a a mixture of what's called neoliberalism, which is the sort of a perverted, globalized version of free markets, which makes local markets unfree.
Sam Karnick:So what you have here is but but it's all essentially, what's gone wrong here is is the government. The government has imposed a vision of what people are like, that we are, what was that phrase cogs in a global machine? That's accurate. That people are interchangeable, they're fungible. You can use them for anything you want.
Sam Karnick:And then when they're no longer of any value to you, you could discard them and let them die of fentanyl poisoning or any number of infectious diseases that they may acquire because of horrible living conditions and so forth. So what has happened is that bigness has become the the way of life is in the West. Big corporations, big government. Remember, though, that corporations are not a a thing that would occur in a free market. Limited liability would not occur.
Sam Karnick:Corporations are made by government. They are they are, licensed by the government, And the idea was was, well, we'll get greater investment if we take away the risk of, of losing your money if you invest in a corporation, if you buy stock. But what that means then is that makes corp corporations less responsible. So when you complain about corporate irresponsibility, the left complains about that a lot, but it was government that created that. So all of these problems ultimately come down to government.
Sam Karnick:And what the new right has observed is that these problems that are being created, the people who said that they were going to solve those problems, the Republicans, have never done it. They just have dropped the ball. And Trump, for his, to to to his great credit in in 2016, made it very clear that the Republicans were responsible for going along with all this. And so that created a the ah. It created the the permission for this new movement to arise, and technology, especially communications technology, made it possible for it to spread very rapidly.
Sam Karnick:So what we have come we've come to the point now where the the things that government has done for multiple decades now, all the things that we talk about week after week, for starters, the things that government has done for multiple decades have infected the people. They have, undermined enterprise, personal responsibility, individual strengths, and they've taken that away from people. And the the new right has recognized that the, frankly, the national review type of right went along with this, and they were actually critical to it being sustained over the decades. And they've said enough. We're not going down that path anymore.
Sam Karnick:And I think it's great because they're actually going back to the pre World War two. The the whole, impression, is of a small government, local control, pro liberty, self reliance, sound money, traditional values, and, yes, Christian orientation that the right had before, World War two and the rise of, the the conservative movement in the nineteen fifties, which was especially, policed by national review for multiple decades thereafter. Well, that's the Sorry. Go ahead.
Linnea Lueken:I was gonna say, yes. And I'd like you to expand on that history, Sam, because I know you've spent a lot of time engaging with that. And that's something that what I guess you could call like the dissident. Right? Which would include like our McIntyre, Kurt Yervin and a bunch of other folks on that kind of side of what I would put.
Linnea Lueken:I want to be clear on what we mean by the new right in that we don't really have a clear like there's no specific definition for the new right. But what we're using this term to mean and you can see from our thumbnail, like there's a huge range of personalities in that thumbnail. And there's even maybe not even ones that I would agree with or that make up the coalition that I would lean towards, but are nonetheless, you know, being influential in some way or another. But like, it's a it's a totally different coalition than what we had during the Bush years, you know, and we have I think we might have found the correct clip for Vance. But the he's he's gonna articulate some ideas in this clip that I hope that we can play.
Linnea Lueken:Jim, yes or no?
JD Vance:Nations represented here face. I believe there is nothing more urgent than mass migration.
Linnea Lueken:Nope. You played the same old one. The short one.
Jim Lakely:It's the clip it's the clip you gave me. I'm sorry.
Chris Talgo:Linea, but, you know, it's not those people that are determining this. It's the policies that they're espousing. And, Sam, real quick on the on the corporation thing. I am not, you know, in the business of defending corporations, but I think that what led them to do what they've done and, you know, go overseas and outsourcing and all this stuff was government policies. Right.
Chris Talgo:So if we reverse those government policies and and and and incentivize corporations to come back to The United States, that will be a boon to the American economy and the American people. And we're seeing that. We're seeing Donald Trump say, hey, you know, Hyundai, come build a steel plant here in Louisiana. We will make it affordable for you to do that. And we're seeing these corporations respond to that.
Chris Talgo:I also think that a big part of this is the the crazy wars that both parties have been fighting for twenty plus years and the fact that the American people are really sick and tired of that. And we saw the Republicans really get jump on board on that after 09/11, and I I was totally for the invasion of Afghanistan. But then that led to the invasion of Iraq, which at first, according to the media, it was it was necessary to do, but then we found out, no, it wasn't. And there have been so many other instances with Ukraine, you know, on and on and on of The United States spending our taxpayers' money on these foreign wars that the American people don't even want anymore. And Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger and all those Republicans, they've been booted from the party because the party no longer represents that.
Chris Talgo:I think that's another huge portion of this. So there's the economic thing. There's the the international, relations thing, but there's also the cultural thing. And finally finally, this this new new right, JD Vance, Donald Trump, you know, there's so many others that we can that we can name. What are they doing?
Chris Talgo:They're saying, you know what? There's two genders. Sorry, everybody. We know you don't wanna hear this, you know, leftist, but there are two genders, and we are gonna make sure that that we do that. What are they doing on climate?
Chris Talgo:They're saying this whole climate change is BS. I saw so many Republicans from George W. Bush to Liz Cheney on and on and on who was who were totally on board with the climate scam. Donald Trump came out of nowhere and said, no. That is that is complete BS.
Chris Talgo:We need energy dominance. J. D. Vance is doing the same thing. I think those are the big issues that the people are saying, yes.
Chris Talgo:Finally, someone is speaking on behalf of it. Call it populism. Call it whatever you want. But it's really just common sense America First policies. For so many decades now, The United States has been part of we've been told that we need to be part of this global this this global economy, and we're global citizens.
Chris Talgo:We're not. The world is made up of countries. Donald Trump is putting America First, and he's saying, I'm gonna do things that are in the best interest of the American people and especially younger American people. Education, school choice, I mean, on and on and on. That is I think why so many people, especially young people, are jumping on board this, quote, new right.
Chris Talgo:Because what they've said is we reject the uniparty. We reject the GOP of Ritt Romney and and the Bushes. And, you know, what happened in 2015 and 2016 when Donald Trump came down that escalator and took on all those people, including Jeb Bush, and just threw them to the side and said, you know what? No. No.
Chris Talgo:This is not what the American people want anymore. It took so many years for the Mitch McConnells and the John Thunes to on and on and on to finally say, you know what? We gotta probably go in in this guy's direction. It didn't happen overnight, but it took almost a decade. And I think that we might see a similar thing happen on the side of the democrats because I think that the the status quo of the democrat party is done.
Chris Talgo:I hope that they don't go down the squad crazy left road because I feel that that would only be 20% of the American people who really want that. And we do wanna have a two party system. We wanna have common sense Kennedy esque Democrats who are for America First, who are for low taxes and and, you know, pro business, pro economic growth, that's what we want. And we wanna have two parties that are competing and have very good ideas about the future. There's also a lot of stuff that's coming down the pike that is gonna that is gonna really revolutionize our society, our world, our economy, and all sorts of things.
Chris Talgo:AI, quantum computing, giant data centers. The GOP is jumping on board that and saying, we are the ones who are gonna take us into this new golden age. You can't do that without, fossil fuels. You can't do that without The United States becoming, you know, an industrial powerhouse again. That's what I think this is about, and that's why so many people, especially young people, are responding to that.
Chris Talgo:Because you know what? The bottom line is it's common sense.
Sam Karnick:Yeah. Chris, you brought it and you brought up an important point, which is that the the the right has always been anti war. And and and and war a war footing always strengthens government and makes government bigger and bigger. Leading up to World War two, the right was against getting involved in the war until somehow we we failed to notice that the Japanese were about to bomb Pearl Harbor. And so what happened there was that then right after the war, we go right into a cold war.
Sam Karnick:And who was the strongest supporter who were the strongest supporters of that cold war? The the the the left and the Kennedys and and the like, the the slightly left of center, not anything like what they are today. They supported the Cold War. But the conservatives, the Republicans, they supported the Cold War too. This was the the the national review, William f Buckley movement that that the anticommunist movement that that posited that we need to fight a a quiet world war behind the scenes in order to keep the Soviet Union from doing what?
Sam Karnick:The Soviet Union was weak and pathetic, and they were they were they were doing very evil things, But we could we could have stopped them one by one instead of just participating in wars all around the world, including Korea, Vietnam, places like that. This was the right that managed to push all this into the into the forefront and put the nation on a a permanent war footing. So the the issue you bring up is is really important, which is that the right has always been anti war because we're against big government.
Chris Talgo:Yeah. You know, The United the right is supposed to be anti war but strong on national defense. And Right. I just feel that in the past few decades, in particular since September 11, the right has abandoned those principles. And we, not we, because I do not I do not agree with this, but many many influential leaders on the right were saying, no, we need the patriarch.
Chris Talgo:You know, don't worry about your liberty. It's all about your security. And I think that after twenty years of that, people are saying, you know what? We disagree with this. We don't want this.
Chris Talgo:We have wasted trillions and trillions of dollars, and it didn't really actually make us any safer. And the world is still a very volatile place. It's always gonna be a volatile place, but America should use its resources mostly to make sure that Americans are protected. Protecting the border, you know, law and order, all this kind of stuff. That's what Trump is bringing back to the table, And it has unfortunately been ignored, I think, for far too long.
Linnea Lueken:Well, the the kind of, I guess, the kind of national review Republican, or the national review conservative that we have been kind of alluding to here is like pretty allergic to the kind of comments that have been being made. I hate to use the word revolutionary, but that is kind of how it feels breakdown of the GOP and everything. We're not going to go back to it. So if people have an attachment to the Bush years and stuff, then or even frankly, to parts of the Reagan years. Sorry, but we're not going back to that.
Linnea Lueken:There is only moving forward on these subjects. I want to so apparently Slack or not Slack StreamYard hates it when Twitter has two video clips embedded in the same tweet. And so it kept going to the longer one. So I'm just gonna read the quote from Vance that I like. So what he said was contrary to what you might hear a couple mountains over in Davos, the citizens of all of our nations don't generally think of themselves as educated animals or as interchangeable cogs of a global economy.
Linnea Lueken:And it's hardly surprising that they don't want to be shuffled about or relentlessly ignored by their leaders. And I think that that's something that ties in both to the economic issue and also to the, you know, the the global war issue. You know, the The United States wanted to be an empire without actually taking on the responsibilities of being an empire is what it feels like. And they were there too many European and too and too much of The United States has been willing to just throw young men to the meat grinder for decades for what what result? I mean, what tangible results?
Linnea Lueken:Basically nothing. Right?
Jim Lakely:Ukraine.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. And and it's it's given us nothing. It's given us a lot of headstones. It's forwarded, you know, the military industrial complex. I actually have heard arguments from old, like GOP types that we actually should be okay with this stuff because it's good for our economy to be continuously sending weapons to Ukraine, to be continuously.
Linnea Lueken:No, I don't care if it is if it if it is good for our economy in terms of numbers on a chart or something, then maybe we need to rethink how much deference we're giving. You know, line goes up on a chart because it's not working for our souls in this regard.
Chris Talgo:It's not increasing Americans living standards, and that's what this is all about. Donald Trump wants to increase Americans living standards by having a sound currency, by increasing manufacturing base here in America. Just simple things that have been that have been overlooked for so long. That's what this is about. And the status quo, the the Mitt Romney's of the world, they don't want that.
Chris Talgo:And, you know, another part of this, I think, in the the quote new right is the fact that the new right fights. Mitt Romney, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, John McCain even, all these people, they didn't fight.
Chris Talgo:They almost were were just willing to just give in on anything because, you know, the media would scream, and Donald Trump has taken all that and just reshuffled the deck. And it's all about fighting for what's right. And that has been a huge, I think, benefit to the to the new right, and that's why so many people are excited for this.
Sam Karnick:Remember that, in the nineties, we did have a movement that was, pretty much new right. What the current new right is was was already happening then. You had, Ross Perot and then especially Pat Buchanan. And what happened with Pat Buchanan was very interesting is the National Review had a big issue there and, with multiple, multiple authors, many, many authors all saying Pat Buchanan is anti Semitic. Now what on earth?
Sam Karnick:It's a ludicrous claim. But what Pat Buchanan was was very much pro American, and Buchanan's main point was that regular people, people who want to work or do work, do not benefit as much from their efforts as they used to. That's simple. That's a simple story. And guess what?
Sam Karnick:It was right. It was true. He was right. And so National Review, for some reason, was terrified of this person and cast him out just the way they'd cast out the John Birch Society. And they they cast out everybody that they they they that they feel is going to make PBS stations, say, mean things about Republicans.
Sam Karnick:Well, if Republicans are just the tail being wagged by the Democrats, what good are they? Well, the answer is they're no good. And that's there you go. And that's what's and that's what's happening. Yes.
Sam Karnick:They they tried to to read Trump out of the movement. But the reason that that was was wrong and stupid was because everybody then said, well, if he's not the movement, then I don't care about you. I don't care what you have to say about him because I'm hearing good stuff from him. I'm hearing that he cares about me. You don't seem to.
Sam Karnick:Yep. And that's that is the key thing that the the the the true right of this country has been there all along, but it's been suppressed by, frankly, East Coast Liberals who go under the the the aegis of conservatism and, infected the Republican party. And many of them, of course, a vast number of them were originally not just liberals, but leftists or Marxists. And National Review was itself started by a a whole lot of Marxists. So none of this should surprise us.
Sam Karnick:But what what if if there's anything that should surprise us, it's that we finally got through it. It's over.
Jim Lakely:That Yeah.
Sam Karnick:People look at that and they go, oh, down with Trump. It's like, well, down with you.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Let let let me weigh in here a little bit. I'm I'm looking. I'm the one who pulled up the cover against Trump, the editors, and then all of these other people, you know, against Trump in the cover of National Review, probably the most notorious cover story and cover they've ever had. I'm looking at the names here.
Jim Lakely:You probably can't read them on the screen. They're very small. But Glenn Beck, Brent Bozell, Ben Dominick, who's a friend of ours, Eric Erickson, Steven F. Hayward, Bill Crystal, Yuval Levin, Dana Lash. We have Michael Medved, Ed Meese against Trump.
Jim Lakely:Who else? Cal Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Katie Pavlich. Those are some of the names against Trump. At least half of the people on that list would not consider themselves against Trump. In fact, there are some of Donald Trump and his policies biggest cheerleaders in the media today.
Jim Lakely:And so when you look at this, so I find that pretty interesting. When you look at this thumbnail that the great Donald Kendall made for us on our podcast today, look at the look at the people put in black and white and X ed out, you know, George W. Bush, George Will, Jonah Goldberg, William F. Buckley, that's Jennifer Rubin and Bill Crystal. They are now all in the they make a living.
Jim Lakely:Well, the writers on that list do that are still alive make a living being anti Trump. And it is a very small it's a very small cadre of people. You get to go work at the bulwark or somewhere else and they've lost these these used to be some of the most influential people on the right for for normies to get into and to understand conservatism. George Will was a hero of mine. I met him.
Jim Lakely:He gave a talk when I lived in Fredericksburg, Virginia. I was nervous going up to meet him. I admired him so much. He was the best reason to watch this week with David Brinkley. He was just fantastic and brilliant, you know, and William F.
Jim Lakely:Buckley with his firing line show and Jonah Goldberg, you know, it breaks my heart. Liberal liberal fascism was one of the best, you know, popular books on conservatism and exposing the hard left that has been written in the last twenty years. And he's gone completely anti Trump. And it's it's made him in my mind and it's tragic. It's tragic.
Jim Lakely:You know, I can't read him anymore. And you look at the people that we have on the top of the thumbnail that are in color. You have RFK Jr, you have Tulsi Gabbard, you have Matt Walsh, who's with The Daily Wire, you have J. D. Vance, of course, and even Megan Kelly, who, you know, had it in her to to take Trump down.
Jim Lakely:And she campaigned for him for the first time ever. She campaigned for a presidential candidate this last election, and she is a full throated Trump supporter. And what I think I mentioned this on this podcast quite a bit. The rise and success of Trump broke the brains of a lot of people. It broke the brains of Hollywood, and it broke the brains of what we now call the old right, the irrelevant right that's way far back in the rearview mirror.
Jim Lakely:And it's it's also broken the left. You know, the fact that RFK Jr, who was a Democrat, his entire life, I mean, he's Democrat royalty. And now he is part of the MAGA movement and Trump's administration. The reason why there is the rise of a new right with a much bigger tent, the big tent that they used to talk about on the GOP in the eighties and in the nineties, this tent is bigger than it's ever been and it keeps growing. And the other side of that coin, the other reason why there is a new right is because of how radical the Democratic Party has gone to the left.
Jim Lakely:One person we do not have on this thumbnail is Elon Musk. Elon Musk was a Democrat his entire life, And then he saw that Twitter had banned the Babylon Bee because they called Rachel Levine the man of the year. And that pissed him off. And he said, we should have free speech. You should be able to actually make fun of people.
Jim Lakely:And that was look, look what it started. You know, that old meme of like, you know, the little tiny domino and then it goes to the big domino, you know, and the first domino is X bands, the Babylon Bee, and then the big domino is, you know, Elon Musk is tearing the government apart. So, you know, if it wasn't for the left going completely nuts and Chris, you pointed you touched on this when you talked about the cultural issues that the left has dominated, you know, pushing the idea of 57 genders. Facebook had that in their in their thing. You know, all this the DEI, the ESG, the radical climate environmentalism stuff, all of that has pushed people who just can't remain in a movement that believes in these sorts of crazy, un American, uneconomic and punishing things.
Jim Lakely:And so that's why Tulsi Gabbard is now part of the new right. That's why RFK Jr. Is now part of the new right, because they believe in free speech. They may not believe in super limited government, but they do believe in free speech and they believe that America is a good country and a great country and needs to recover its sense of self again, that it's been being patriotic is not a bad thing. But that is what the left and the Democrat party have basically taught generations of kids through our public schools.
Jim Lakely:And so the rise of the new right is still going on and I think it's going to continue to get higher as the people here in black and white will be left, know, they said in the Reagan years on the dustbin of history.
Linnea Lueken:And I think it's worthwhile to note, too, that there are a lot of you know, it's not like we have to only look to, you know, the past, although, people of my generation, it's interesting in the circles that I've drifted in and out of on the right on the online right and maybe the very online. It's a lot of us who grew up reading Thomas Sowell and who grew up reading Hayek and everything. And so we're all very well versed in kind of the fundamental kind of libert conservatarian or libertarian minded side of the of the conservative kind of ecosystem. And now what people my age are reading is like Chesterton and Heller Belloc and stuff. It's very interesting.
Linnea Lueken:And I think, Sam, I wanted to hear your take on this. The the shift in like a renewed interest in much older thinkers in American conservative thought and British conservative thought, I suppose, well. European thought is really, really interesting because like we kind of alluded to at the the start of the show, you know, the part of the new right that's forming as part of that big tent is kind of just like the much older right. And I think that the big tent thing that we have right now is probably something of a transitional stage. I don't think it's I don't think it's going to stay a big tent forever.
Linnea Lueken:I don't think that this is where the line is gonna be drawn, you know, twenty years from now. But I think that it's an important kind of dissolving of the origin like, the the last thirty, forty, fifty years of Democrat Republican, you know, borderlines. Sam, what what's your take on that?
Sam Karnick:Well, you're right. The in particular, the the new right is still figuring things out. And that's why it's it's interesting to have that that, montage there with with the or collage, I should say, with the, pictures of Kennedy and Gabbard. It's it's true that that the the right is is still figuring it out. But I think the the outlines and the principles and the ideas are are pretty set, and they are the the pre World War two right.
Sam Karnick:As you pointed out, the people, who have a sort of a freedom oriented, small government mindset, who like the idea of being able to figure out their lives for themselves and not have a giant government, based somehow in Brussels telling telling people in Ohio what to do. And and then, and then not cleaning it up when when they drop poison on the ground there. I think that that people look at that and they go, well, obviously, this system doesn't work. Where can I find thinkers who look at things the way I do? And so what happens is you've got a very much of an intellectual ferment on the right that is not occurring on the left.
Sam Karnick:So there's a great bubbling up of of thoughts and ideas and discussions. There's a lot of, contention and even some anger that goes, that goes with it. But what's really going on there is people are exploring things. They're exploring new ideas because they know that the ones that we've been living under for decades don't work. They're inhumane and inhuman.
Sam Karnick:And so as as, people start discussing these issues, somebody says, well, you know, the GK Chesterton actually had this idea called distributism. I don't know if it would work nowadays. And it it it's a an odd idealistic thing. But what distributism was all about was that common people should have a certain amount of economic independence. That's really all it is.
Sam Karnick:And you you you hear you heard, Ross Perot say that. You heard Pat Buchanan say that. You heard Ron Paul say that. And then you heard Donald Trump say that. And so people are are looking back to these pre World War two people on the right, I don't call them conservatives.
Sam Karnick:Conservative right now is you're conserving the welfare state and sexual revolution and all kinds of other things. So, and the administrative state, I don't think that that's anything, really to be admired. That's my opinion on it. But the so the the entire right was horribly infected, I believe, by the the the the the fusionist national review point of view. And there was much good to be found in fusionism, but ultimately, it it was a big government program.
Sam Karnick:It was a liberal program. That's why if I if I had to to name what that old right was, which is not the old right, the old right is pre World War two. If I had to name it, I'd call it the left right because it really was a leftist right. And it was almost like a mock right. Maybe we should call it that, the mock right.
Sam Karnick:Because, when when when you when you read that national review issue that that Jim put up on the screen there, it is really, it is really appalling that, wait a minute. This isn't what America is about. The real the right has always wanted to go back to the foundations of what America is all about. And so in order to do that, you have to do what I think it was CS Lewis who said this, who's another one who's getting a good deal of admiration nowadays and well deserved. But Lewis said when when you're on the wrong track, what you have to do is you have to just go back until you reach the fork where you went wrong and then go down the other path.
Sam Karnick:And that's what we've that's what the right is doing, in my view. So they're they're going back they're going way back past the National Review and and, the nineteen sixties and Barry Goldwater. So they've gone back. Obviously, George W. Bush is going way back past that.
Sam Karnick:And and then they go, well, Barry Goldwater, yeah, he was okay. But, you know, look what happened since. And then they go back, well, National Review. Yeah. Yeah.
Sam Karnick:Yeah. The anticommunism did kinda lead to some of the things that we're looking at today. So they go back, and and it's only before World War two that you that you can start to see a right that looks like the people that love America and want to want this place to be what the founders of the nation intended when they when they built it. So I think that that's that's the key, and that's why people are going back to these thinkers.
Jim Lakely:I gotcha. I think I what what strikes me real Chris. What strikes me when you you look at the list of the people on the cover of the National Review against Trump and the purpose of that issue and from a publication as important to the conservative movement as National Review, they were staking out a claim that conservatism is incompatible with a Trump presidency. Right. And they said, stand with us.
Jim Lakely:You know, their their famous, motto is standing athwart history yelling stop. They were standing athwart a Trump presidency yelling stop and a lot of people that were standing with him have left. And I think what's really when you talk about the old right and the new right is that that was a bad bet. And what we've actually seen, the reason why some very principled people like Stephen F. Hayward and Ben Domenech and others have embraced Trump and Trumpism and his two terms as president is because it's a conservatism that actually gets results.
Jim Lakely:It's a foreign policy that is not expansionist. And like you said, know, the neocons and all that kind of stuff. So it was a more reasonable pro American foreign policy, not just in wars, but in trade and in diplomacy and everything else. It was an American first energy and economic policy. And those were things that I thought I was always I was always for it.
Jim Lakely:I thought that's what conservatism was always for. And instead, the National Review types, I hate to say it like that, but, you know, those people, they put their standard down and it's getting very lonely there and they've lost a lot of their influence. And I think it's a tribute to those who once were on that cover have decided to go with their principles. And that is in the direction that they are in now.
Chris Talgo:I still think The United States is primarily a center right nation. I think that the polling shows that. And I think when you look back to let's go to 2012, for example. So 2012, Obama was not polling very well. The economy was still pretty bad.
Chris Talgo:The American people were were not happy with the way the course of the country was going, but we put up Mitt Romney. And Mitt Romney was the left light. Okay? He was not espousing conservative libertarian principles in a, you know, fighter esque manner. And I think that what has happened is Donald Trump has taken that mantle, and he has run with it.
Chris Talgo:And what the people have seen is, you know what, when a guy comes into office, says he's gonna do these things and just does them, that's what we want, that's what we like. It's his policies, but it's also the fact that The United States, we were told in 2012, we were told in '28 also, 2016 and '2, that the GOP was on the verge of extinction and that Hispanics would never vote for the GOP and that black people would never vote for the GOP and young people would never ever vote for the GOP. And what we saw happen in 2016 was Donald Trump made a little bit of inroads with some of those groups, and then they went back to 2020 and voted for Joe Biden. And then they had to they had to live through four years of torture, a terrible economy, terrible foreign policy, just terrible cultural policies, just across the board, terribleness. And I think that was a giant wake up call.
Chris Talgo:And what we saw in twenty twenty four election was a lot of Hispanic people saying, you know what, this whole illegal immigration thing, we're over it, we're done with it. We want the guy who's gonna come here and crack down on that. Young people saying, you know what, we're actually gonna vote for the guy who's actually gonna protect, you know women in men's sports, Okay? All those kind of things I think is what really led to the rise of the quote new right. And as long as Republicans stay true to that message because it's resonating and it's gonna resonate with the Heartland people for, I think, decades to come, I think that they can have a hold on power for a very long time.
Chris Talgo:And if they go back to the old way and say, woah, we gotta go back to the more like left light stuff, more spending, more foreign wars, more climate change BS that the American people are gonna say, man, you you guys, you know, you you had it right for a little bit, and now you went right back to the to the bad stuff. So I think it's a very pivotal point. I hope that, JD Vance or whomever becomes the republican candidate in 2028, that they take this America First mag agenda, whatever you wanna call it, and just run with it. Because I think if they do, that they will be in a position of power for a very long time to come. And that is a good thing because the policies that they are putting into place are great for the American people.
Chris Talgo:And the policies that the Democrats have been putting in place for a very long time have been very bad for the American people. This is not about politics. It's about policy. And like Jim said, it's all about the policy outcomes. It's not about the intentions of those.
Chris Talgo:Obamacare was intended to lower health care cost, the great and, you know, do all these things. They didn't pan out. Donald Trump's policies pan out, and we're gonna see that in the over the next four years. And I think that the American people are finally realizing it, that we don't have to live in this global, you know, environment. We can live in an American first environment, and it's gonna be better for us.
Chris Talgo:And that's what this is all about.
Sam Karnick:I've long been writing that governments that that excuse me. Republicans should act like Democrats in how they approach their jobs. They shouldn't vote like Democrats. They shouldn't legislate like Democrats, but they should act like Democrats. The the the, answer there is just win, baby.
Sam Karnick:Don't worry about, don't don't worry about what what the Atlantic thinks of you. The heck with that.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah.
Sam Karnick:I mean, it's it's like I I I I I'm gravitating toward that phrase, the Mach right, because it it it never was right. It never was the American right. And so if you if you're chasing a dream of of universalism, which is the same thing that the left is chasing, you're not gonna win on that issue because they'll do it better than you. We saw it under Joe Biden. He was the best at doing that.
Sam Karnick:It and we've all seen the results. And and so now but what was great about it, and, Chris, you brought this up, is that we had to go through four years of misery, and we all knew that was coming, that it was going to be miserable. But what really happened there was that the misery created a whole bunch of eighty twenty issues, where 80% of the people are on one side and 20% are on the other side. And the Democrats and the mock right, the Lincoln project and, all those, goofy people, the bulwark, they're all on the 20 side. And here we all are on the 80% side saying, well, you know, this is a transgender thing.
Sam Karnick:I mean, come on. These guys are beating up girls. That's there's something wrong with that. You know? And so it's it's simple common sense, but it took a certain amount of of of courage on Donald Trump's part.
Sam Karnick:Or I would call it, I would suggest that he's probably on the the other side of the Aristotelian mean, which is reckless, and that I think we needed that. In 2016, we needed somebody who just said, I don't care. I don't care. I'm not gonna win anyway. So I'm just going to tell the truth and and, create this, discussion.
Sam Karnick:And in in instead, he got elected. So I I think that that's that's really where we're at. We we have a a different kind of mindset out there now available to us. It's not finished by any means. It's gonna take a while, but it's a pro American mindset and it's very foundations.
Sam Karnick:And that in my view is a good thing. And like Jim said, it's what I've always been for.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I think just to kind of wrap things up a little bit here, but, you know, someone recently said on X and I can't remember who it was. It was probably Lomas or Chris Ruffo or someone like that. And they said or maybe it was McIntyre. I'm not sure.
Linnea Lueken:But they said that the the person who wants to win will always beat the person who wants to be left alone, which is something that like my heart because I always grew up, you know, I was that conservatarian who said, I just want to be left alone. I don't want to, you know, inflict anything on anybody else. You know, my my lifestyle is my lifestyle or whatever. But, man, have the last couple of decades shown that that is kind of a a toothless commentary to make, you know, I just wanna be left alone. Well, that's all fine and good, but the other side wants to defeat you and crush you under their boot.
Linnea Lueken:So it's time to You
Sam Karnick:be standing at at you have to be standing at your gate with a the plastic gun.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Have
Sam Karnick:to win.
Linnea Lueken:You know? And and and people dang it. People want a country. They want a good country. And like Vance articulated so well over there in Europe, People don't want to just be another widget in the global economy that gets tossed out and borders don't matter.
Linnea Lueken:Your culture doesn't matter. You know, we're all part of a global culture that is just kind of like a gray mush that all blends together. No, darn it. People want a country. People want people have loyalties that are stronger than just, you know, the GDP.
Linnea Lueken:All right. So and I think that's some of what Trump has really touched on very well. And so just to close us out, I want us to go around because I know that Sam is always reading stuff. I know Chris is always reading stuff. And I know that Jim is as well.
Linnea Lueken:Two books in the last couple of years that have, like, influenced your thinking on the right here. For me, I think I would probably go with Orin McIntyre's Total State, which was very, very good. Also a book by a professor, Reisard Lagutko's The Demon in Democracy, which is about how liberal democracies can kind of slide into totalitarianism on accident or on purpose directed. So those are my two. Sam, what you got?
Sam Karnick:I'm going to go with War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy first, which is set during the Napoleonic era. And it it the central premise of the book is that the the whole, great men of history notion is is false, which is that, social forces and stupidity and, circumstances, make history. And, I I think he he makes a great point there, which is this, that being free to live your own life is the one thing that people really want, and all the rest of it is a bunch of rubbish. So I I let me just go with that one. And and, if you have time to read a 1,600 page book, you will profit greatly from it.
Linnea Lueken:All right, Jim?
Jim Lakely:Would also The Total State by RM McIntyre is mandatory reading, think. It's highly recommended. And also his YouTube channel, you should check out all the stuff that RM McIntyre does. He has very interesting conversations with just himself and with you and with other guests as well, so I would highly recommend checking him out, making him a regular part of your consumption. And also, on a little bit lighter note, I suppose, The Anti Communist Manifesto by Jesse Kelly.
Jim Lakely:Not exactly a huge intellectual. The guy's a former RV salesman and marine who has made himself quite a career in media these days. But what I like about the messaging of that is the anti communist manifesto. Is one of the few people, RM McIntyre is another one, who will call the modern left what it is and that we do have communists and communists in our government and in our culture that are trying to control, trying to take over the world. Communist dream did not die in 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down or when the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.
Jim Lakely:The dream is still alive for the global left, and that's a pretty clear eyed view of it.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. Chris?
Chris Talgo:I'm gonna go with America's Wise Man, Victor David Hanson. His book called The Dying Citizen was just amazing. It really encapsulated everything that we've just talked about. But I'm also gonna go with another book and it's conveniently located right behind me. And it's called The Great Reset.
Chris Talgo:And as you can see, it's with Glenn Beck, Justin Haskins, and Donald Kendall. Justin Haskins and Donald Kendall work here at the Arlen Institute. And Glenn Beck, although he was on that cover, apparently, he is definitely pro Trump, pro MAGA, pro this whole new right thing. And this really, I think, summarizes and explains the globalist agenda. It's called Glenn Beck with Justin Haskins, Joe Biden, and the rise of twentieth century fascism, the great reset.
Chris Talgo:This is a couple of years old, but it's still extremely timely. I highly recommend it. And, I think that, Glenn Beck has had a change of heart, and I'm very glad that he has.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. Well, I'm gonna cut us off right there. That's all the time we have. We went way over, but I think it was worth it. We'll see in the comments that people are mad that we went for two hours almost, but I personally, I could have gone on for another probably hour on this topic, gotten a little bit more specific, but, unfortunately, we are a bit time limited by our schedule.
Linnea Lueken:So thank you everybody for tuning in. We are live every single week at on Thursdays at noon central on Rumble, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, wherever. For audio listeners, please rate us well on whatever service you're using. Leave a review. Thank you so much to our usual panelists.
Linnea Lueken:You guys, Jim, anything to plug?
Jim Lakely:Oh, you can follow me on x at Jay Lakeley. Follow the Heartland Institute on x at Heartland Inst, and always visit
Linnea Lueken:heartland.org. Alright. Chris?
Chris Talgo:Yeah. Heartland.org. We've got some, policy papers coming out. Once a kind of CSDDD. Go read it.
Chris Talgo:You'll learn all about it. We got a tax cuts paper coming out. And Sam Karnik just wrote an awesome paper about the economy and tax rates and the iron clad law of revenue. Highly, highly recommended, especially with all this reconciliation stuff going on right now.
Linnea Lueken:You have stolen Sam's pitch. Sam, what do you have to pitch?
Sam Karnick:Oh, that was very nice, and I really appreciate compliments, Chris. And I I agree with you a %. People should read it. Also check out my Substack, s t karnik at Substack.com.
Linnea Lueken:Alrighty. Thanks again, everybody. We will see you again next week. Goodbye.
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