The Endangerment Finding Is Dead. Here’s Why It Matters — The Climate Realism Show #190
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Jim Lakely:Oh, boy. Do we have a big show today with some fantastic news, so let's get started. We have with us, as usual, Anthony Watts. He's senior fellow at the Heartland Institute and publisher of the world's most viewed website on climate change. What's up with that?
Jim Lakely:Lynea Lukin, research fellow for energy environment policy at Heartland. And we are so welcome to welcome we're so happy to welcome back special guest Lois Perry. She's the director of Heartland UK Europe, and that organization and and Lois are on the vanguard of convincing people and the government of Great Britain to give up the nonsensical net zero goal. She's doing amazing work. Welcome, Lois.
Jim Lakely:Welcome, everyone.
Lois Perry:Thank you for having me.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Before we get into the show, I just wanna remind everybody that we have a climate conference coming, the sixteenth International Conference on Climate Change. The theme, which we picked out months ago, is really apropos today. Climate realism is rising, and it's April 9 and April 2026 at the Hotel Washington in Washington DC. You can get your tickets.
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Jim Lakely:Now with that and with a big show ahead of us, let's get into it with the crazy climate news of the week. Yes. Thank you very much, Bill Nye. I don't know how what I what I enjoy about that drop more. The the the foolishness of Bill Nye or that funny music that we put to it.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Let's go. Our first item here is this comes from Eurobarometer, and it seems that Europe's climate panic has taken quite the dip. There was Bjorn Lormborg, who we like well enough, shared a tweet that showed this in graphic form. But the Eurobarometer, that's an official poll from the EU.
Jim Lakely:And since August 2010, they have asked, quote, what do you think are the two most important issues facing the EU at the moment? You can only pick two answers when they ask you that. In the early years of the poll, the top two issues were by far the economic situation and the state of member states public finances. And then immigration became one of the top two for a few years in the middle twenty teens. But then in 2019, climate took the number one spot, and but it's been all downhill ever since.
Jim Lakely:Today, in the Eurobarometer poll, the top two issues are the war in Ukraine and, once again, immigration is high on that list. Mhmm. And I don't think climate is gonna be ticking back up anytime soon. You can see from the graphic on screen that it looks like it's it's a permanent spiral downward. So first of all, Lois, the director of Heartland UK Europe, congratulations.
Jim Lakely:And two, why do you think this topic has faded in the minds of Europeans as one of the most important issues?
Lois Perry:Well, I think number one, I'm not sure that I can take all of the credit, but thank you very much. You know, I do I do love compliments, so I I will take that one, actually. But I think, basically, you've got a situation where if this look. You guys having Trump in the White House has changed everything. It really has.
Lois Perry:Suddenly, you've got the most powerful man in the world just openly calling the whole thing a hoax, the whole climate change thing a hoax. Drill, baby. Drill. People are seeing in America the impact of what goes on you know, what happens when you reduce the cost of energy and you become energy energy sufficient, and and and they want a little bit of that. And the other thing as well, without wishing to put too fine a point on it, there are so many other pressing issues.
Lois Perry:When people are going out into the streets and and they're they're seeing, additional violence, crime going through the roof, and people you know, the the things other things take priority. I mean, for example, in London at the moment, violent crime, and, shoplifting and and all sorts of different crimes, sexual attacks in particular, are so off the Richter scale that people worrying about what may or may not happen to the planet in fifty years, whether they think it believe in it or not, is not gonna be a number one priority. I'm not surprised immigration is so high, and I'm not surprised that concerns about, expensive wars or wars where your sons and daughters might be drafted into that you don't believe in. And even if you do believe in it, you don't your kids to be drafted into it. I I'm not surprised that climate change has slipped down.
Lois Perry:Also, hopefully, the the good work that that we're doing is making an impact. I know it is in The UK. I know from the CPACs that we've been to in Poland and Hungary that the work that the Heartland Europe is doing is making a big impact as well. So so, yeah, let's take some of the credit at least, Dave.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, I mean Go ahead, Anthony. Sorry.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. I was just thinking, what a mess that the left has created in in The UK. I mean, their policies on immigration, well, you know, everybody's come on in, you know. It's just it's just destroying not just The UK, but the many of the EU countries. They're letting this immigration take over their national identity.
Anthony Watts:And so as a result, you have rising crime and fear. And, you know, climate change doesn't even score a blip in the mind of a lot of people these days.
Lois Perry:And and resentment.
Anthony Watts:Worried about going out on the street.
Lois Perry:And resentment. Huge resentment. And and, unfortunately, just very quickly, just make one little point. What's what I've noticed from my, because I've got lot, my my stepfather is Jamaican, and my sister's a mixed race. What's happening is that indigenous British born people and mixed race people are experiencing racism sometimes for the first time because of the resentment that's being caused by illegal people coming in and being seen to be being treated better and and, you know, and have a and and being here completely illegally and and causing issues and problems and crime.
Lois Perry:So my my my half brothers and my half sisters have experienced. But my little sister, Tanya, had a bottle thrown at her the other day. She has never ever ever experienced any kind of prejudice. Well, maybe very slightly when she was very little. But but it's because people are angry about the about the uncontrolled immigration.
Lois Perry:I'm absolutely convinced of it.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. It's so to the audience real quick here, just to explain why we have a little bit of a a pause between conversations as we're going along. Andy is out. As you can see, the bishop of Rantaberry is out.
Anthony Watts:Sterling By the way, at the upcoming ICC sixteen, we're gonna have a bishop of Rantaberry statue in the lobby. And then press a button, and it'll create a rant for you.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna have cardboard cutouts of Sterling in the lobby. But the yeah. So we're running the show in the background at the same time as hosting and having conversations.
Linnea Lueken:So it's a little bit tricky today, but thank you guys for sticking with us. And I just wanted to give a little bit of an explanation because we're having a little bit more, like, pauses than we usually do.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yeah. We're doing our best. We're doing our best to try to produce and host at the same time. So all errors are mine, and all good things are Linea is responsible.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Well, let's let's get into our second item, and it is titled, the issue with tissue. Now this comes, from our friends, I say that sarcastically, of course, from the National, Natural Resources Defense Council, and they actually have put out a report called The Issue with Tissue for several years. So, you know, to hell with your nose and and your bum as well, I guess. The NRDC thinks we just have it too good, and the cost is the forest, apparently.
Jim Lakely:So let me read a little bit from this. It says since 2019, NRDC's the issue with tissue series has exposed how America's largest tissue manufacturers are failing the climate, communities, and biodiversity by creating single use, throwaway products from forests like the Canadian Boreal. Now, you know, I like toilet paper being single use, but everybody was there. They write, these annual scorecards grade major toilet paper, paper towel, and facial issue brands based on their sustainability and provide custom, consumers with a powerful tool for selecting eco friendly options, such as products made from recycled content and responsibly sourced bamboo. Despite progress and the dozens of smaller companies embracing alternatives to the tree to toilet pipeline, many of the most popular US tissue brands continue to drive devastating impacts to forests.
Jim Lakely:For the first time, Procter and Gamble breaks out of the f grade category with its Charmin Ultra Bamboo Toilet Paper landing a b score. While this product is a step in the right direction, P and G's flagship tissue brands, including Bounty, Charmin, and Pups, continue to receive f grades for relying almost exclusively on forest fiber. Now, Lanea, I don't think most consumers really care where their tissues and toilet paper comes from as long as it's, well, let's just say comfortable, if not luxurious. And they probably care less about the tree to toilet pipeline than NRDC does because trees are a renewable resource. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Toilet paper be among the last products made out of a tree that is cut down, actually?
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Thanks for going to me on this, Jim. You know? But yeah. Boy, where to begin?
Linnea Lueken:Well, let's say the so the reason why they like the bamboo stuff more than forest stuff is because it takes a lot longer to grow a weed, which is bamboo, than it does to grow a tree tree. Although I'm a little bit skeptical about the the, like, whole of life emissions and and environmental friendliness about relying entirely on bamboo. Though I would like to I'm gonna scroll up here because I'm in charge of this right now. I would like if you can pull up if you can put that other screen back on
Jim Lakely:Yep.
Linnea Lueken:The thing with the chart.
Lois Perry:Yep.
Linnea Lueken:I will say, if you notice, all of the ones that are so so bamboo is supposed to be easier to use because it grows super fast. It's supposed to be cheaper. But all of the ones that are at in the a category and b category are, like, the most expensive toilet papers on the market. You're not gonna you're not gonna get me to stop buying the Kirkland brand one. I'm sorry.
Linnea Lueken:That's what I've got. It's it's you would think that it would be cheaper, but it's not. Like, I'm not gonna buy Trader Joe's toilet paper. Sorry. It's just crazy.
Lois Perry:I I I don't have a clue what you're talking about at the moment, but I'm guessing from what you're saying. I'm guessing.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. So it's man, I guess you can find something to complain about anything. Right?
Anthony Watts:You know, they it just goes to show you they are after every aspect of your life, you know? Yep. They wanna change every aspect of your life because the way you live is not acceptable to them. I mean, if you're not living in a mud hut and eating grass and bugs, you're not living the life of a climate crusader, you know? And and that's how they think.
Anthony Watts:It's just bizarre. And, of course, yeah, if you ever see these folks out in any kind of an outing such as, you know, maybe one of their conferences, oh, you know, they're living high on the hog. It's all about, you know, regulation for you, but not for me. The whole elitist viewpoint that they've had forever. And, you know, most people today just don't wanna have any part of it.
Anthony Watts:They're smarter than that. And I would say this, bamboo toilet paper, well, you know, I don't know if you've ever had bamboo slivers stuck into your fingers or not, but I sure as heck don't want any bamboo toilet paper.
Lois Perry:Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? It's always then, you know, the the middle class and the well off who are really into all of this nonsense. And and and as Lynnae just pointed out, these the the ones that are the most sustainable, the ones that have the highest ratings are, guess what, the most expensive. Once again, everything everything that's good for the planet, everything that's the right thing to do is expensive.
Lois Perry:So so the sort of the inference is if you're a poor person, then you shouldn't you know, basically, you just shouldn't almost exist. You certainly shouldn't be driving. You certainly shouldn't be able to heat your home or or or even use decent toilet paper. I mean, you're right. Is there not one aspect of our lives that they don't want to control or destroy?
Lois Perry:It doesn't seem like it, does it?
Jim Lakely:No. And that's and that's the point. I mean, we call it the crazy climate news of the week, and there are usually at least a handful, if not two handful, of these sorts of stories where there is no limiting principle into what they will try to force people to do either through coercion, persuasion. Very rarely do they use persuasion. It's usually government coercion.
Jim Lakely:Even to even to the comfort you have after, doing a number two. I mean, I apologize, Lynne, for going to you first. Usually, most of the poop stuff goes to Anthony first, but I thought, you know, he's been he's been pretty greedy with that.
Linnea Lueken:Well, let me say this too. So they're worried about boreal forest. They don't want old, you know, nice forests being chopped down. And I agree with that. I don't want old nice forests being chopped down either.
Linnea Lueken:But you know what's something that they are chopping down nice forest for? To plant other cheaper trees, faster growing trees like the loblolly pine in order to make wood chips to send to Britain for them to Yeah. For electricity. Yeah. So I really I don't take this stuff.
Linnea Lueken:I don't take their cries about deforestation. I really don't take very seriously because I don't believe that they actually care all that much. I think, you know, if they're told, like, well, it's okay because we're gonna chop down this forest to put wind turbines.
Lois Perry:Yeah. In the meantime. Mhmm.
Linnea Lueken:So, yeah, I just I I just don't take them seriously on these issues anymore.
Jim Lakely:Yep.
Anthony Watts:You know, I would say in in terms of overreach, this is the poop de grace of their effort.
Lois Perry:Oh, Oh, boy.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Well, here. This
Anthony Watts:is a
Linnea Lueken:This nice family friendly show. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Okay. Well,
Lois Perry:let's flush this a new story now, please? As an English
Lois Perry:fan, I'm trying to it's a little bit uncomfortable.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. We'll flush that topic and move on to the next one, which is another man humiliation. And, Anthony, get ready. I always go to you first when we have to talk about Michael Mann. But our friend Steve Malloy, who's often on this program with us, So let me just back it up a little bit.
Jim Lakely:So the Associated Press wrote a story this week earlier this week about Trump repealing Obama's endangerment funding for carbon dioxide for greenhouse gases. And our friend and frequent guest, Steve Malloy, tweeted at the reporter for the Associated Press and asked him why he used Michael Mann as a source in his story considering, quote, he has just been sanctioned by a Washington DC court for presenting false information in court and litigating in bad faith on the essential issue in his case, unquote. And that if you frequent viewers will will remember that that's the case where Michael Michael Mann sued Mark Stein in National Review for defamation. But since the case has been adjudicated, the junk the judge has been keeping himself very busy sanctioning Mann for presenting false information to that very jury. Well, anyway, after being called out, the Associated Press removed Mann and his comments from the story.
Jim Lakely:Just wiped it clean. It's actually pretty shocking, you know, because the AP grants you know, they get grants. We've mentioned this on the show before as well. The Associated Press gets grants from, you know, lefty daddy Warbucks is out there. Print nothing but climate alarmist stories.
Jim Lakely:But, apparently, now even the Associated Press has standards because they scrubbed Michael Mann from the story. Anthony, this might be the worst possible punishment for one of the worst people in the climate debate because Michael Mann has an enormous ego, and this had to beat him pretty esteemed.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. I've often said that his ego is so live that you cannot he cannot fit through some doors. It just this guy has you know, that we have this phrase called Trump derangement syndrome. Well, Mike Mann has climate derangement syndrome. Seriously, he does.
Anthony Watts:He he believes that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and he is the savior of the planet. And everybody should listen to him because he is the savior. And it it it's just bizarre the kind of things that he will do and say just to get his point across. And so what's now happening is he's got a sharp reality check, and I'm sure he's just having a conniption fit over this. You know, I'm sure the email I would have loved to have seen those emails in the background that transpired after that got pulled.
Anthony Watts:He's probably mattering a hornet. And this is going to set a precedent. Now I wanna point out something. If you go to Grok, you know, which is Twitter's AI, and ask, is Michael Mann a liar? He comes back and says, yes.
Anthony Watts:When when the when the LLMs of the world are starting to recognize that he's a liar and putting out, you know, a response that says that, that really says something.
Lois Perry:Yeah. His hockey stick is still used. The graph is still used in schools to show children that that, you know, that that temperatures have gone up and that it's all man made and and all of that where, you know, where it's been it's been provingly proved completely false. Is that that's correct, isn't it?
Anthony Watts:That's right.
Lois Perry:Yeah. But yeah. My thought is still learning that in full.
Anthony Watts:Way back when. Yeah. If if you take data take this data, any data, anything, and feed it into his algorithms, it comes up with a hockey stick. Okay.
Lois Perry:He yeah. And and, obviously, he was very mean to my very good friend, Mark Stein, who who gave me a a show to to talk purely about climate stuff called Perry's perspective on GB News for a time. And, yeah, I was very, very, very sad about what happened to to Mike sorry, to Mark with regards to this and also with regards to his his show on GB News.
Jim Lakely:Yep.
Linnea Lueken:I'm running Grok right now, and it's taking a while to think about the answer. I'm just wanna see how fast it comes up with it. It is very interesting at the I like it now that they show, like, all the places that they're searching and stuff. Mhmm. And, like, Grock's, I guess, like, processing.
Linnea Lueken:But we'll see what it comes up with. We'll see.
Jim Lakely:The the only the only way Mark or Michael Mann's hockey stick should be taught in school, it it should be taught to give an example of dishonest science and and fraudulent presentation because you can't you can't I mean, Anthony, maybe you can expand on this. But, know, you can't start with one dataset, take collect it in a certain way, skip to another one, different dataset, take it in a different way, and then go back to the other dataset the other way around. I mean, that that is one of the big flaws in the hockey stick that he never loves to talk about, but it's the way it was put together was was, guaranteed the as you said, guaranteed the result.
Lois Perry:Oh, well, you'll absolutely love this. So my daughter today in her drama class had to do a rap about how hydroelectricity produces cleaner and cheaper energy than traditional oil and gas. I mean, no. It doesn't it it may be in in a very specific locations around the world with very specific, you know, geography, but certainly not in The United Kingdom. But, I mean, getting in a bunch of 15 year olds to do a rap about renewables.
Lois Perry:God's you should say, oh, no. Really? Is it is it really that bad? I mean, it was quite a good rap, actually. But yeah.
Lois Perry:I mean, what's going on?
Jim Lakely:Yep. So so what do we got there, Lanea? How's it looking?
Linnea Lueken:I don't use my grok my grok does not agree with Anthony's grok.
Lois Perry:Well, either if you didn't
Anthony Watts:give it an exact prompt, when you say Michael e Mann, I'm climate scientist, it might not because there's another Michael Mann who
Linnea Lueken:has nothing to do with mine. Which one. It knows which one. It's but mine gives a different, you know, but but they're they train differently based off of how you treat like, how you talk to them and what subjects you run through them and stuff. And I've almost never used Grox.
Linnea Lueken:So
Lois Perry:Oh, right.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Linea is busy. Makes a difference.
Anthony Watts:It's it's possible that it's been scrubbed already, but I saw this clearly yesterday in a Twitter post. And it was it was quite definitive.
Jim Lakely:Well, Linea's busy training a a different AI to behave properly. We've talked about that on the In the Tag show. So.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I've been beating ChatGPT into submission. Not so much not so much on the types of answers it gives because I don't trust any like, if I I'm not gonna ask a an LLM to give me a truthful answer about, like, climate science or something. It's just not it's just not geared towards something like that. But I I have been beating it into submission with regards to its personality and the way that it talks to me Because I really hate the sycophant version that got released where it, like, tells you you're right all the time.
Linnea Lueken:I hate it. I hate it. So I do I I abuse ChatGPT.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. The real the real world tells me I'm right all the time, so I could I
Lois Perry:don't need that for
Jim Lakely:my ChatGPT for sure.
Lois Perry:But isn't isn't that alarming just on a sort of looking at the whole issue of AI in a metaverse, just for want of a better word, that you basically it means that in a way that people are getting the answers they want. So people are there there are different truths. If it if it behaves differently based on how you talk to it and things that you look for and your attitudes and things, doesn't it become a little bit like buying a newspaper because you have it has a certain political persuasion rather than a different one? I don't know.
Lois Perry:I don't use it because I hate it so much.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. It's a tool. It has to be thought of as a tool and not as a oracle. Yeah.
Lois Perry:But kids do see it as an oracle. That's the problem, isn't it?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yep. The human the the the the danger is how humans are being trained to use AI, not the other way around.
Lois Perry:We're gonna we're gonna train
Linnea Lueken:we're gonna train Grock to consistently call Michael Mann a liar.
Lois Perry:Hey. Just
Anthony Watts:remember this. Mantastic claims require a fantastic evidence.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Well, before we before we move on to the big news and the big fantastic news, really, it was his his an historic day on Thursday when Donald Trump basically got rid of the endangerment finding. Before we go to that, Lois, I just wanted to you you had shared something with me on WhatsApp this week. Tony Blair, of all people. Tony Blair has said, you know, hey.
Jim Lakely:We need to start ramping up getting oil and gas out of the North Sea again. I never thought I would hear somebody like Tony Blair ever say something like that.
Lois Perry:Yeah. So a a a very sensible story, appeared today. I think it was in the Times. I sent I sent you a link. I sent you a copy of the article.
Lois Perry:So the Tony Blair Institute has said highly sensible things that we, us, guys, have
Jim Lakely:been
Lois Perry:saying forever, basically, about the, that basically, if you're not producing your own oil and gas, then you're going to be importing it, producing more carbon emissions if you believe in that kind of thing being being an issue. You know, saying that we that the, Ed Miller Band and the current labor government need to end the bat the ban on, on North Sea oil and gas licenses, new ones, because at the moment, if there's a ban on issuing any new license for exploration in the North Sea, Trump said that he feels there's five hundred years worth there. Who knows? But there's certainly enough to keep our economy going in terms of the revenue from that for for decades, and and the Tony Blair Institute said that. I mean, unsurprisingly, somebody who's the head of climate science at a university in The UK said, this is madness.
Lois Perry:Renewals renewables are cheaper and all of that. But, you know, in the immortal words of, of a lady that testified in the perfumer affair scandal in the sixties called Mandy Rice Davis, She said, well, he would say that, wouldn't he? You know, when somebody's got a better when someone benefits from the climate nonsense, of course, they're gonna wanna keep the climate nonsense going. But somebody and and an institute is as important and respected as saying we need our own energy. We mustn't be we mustn't be running our economy or or putting may crashing our economy on the basis of, you know, moral issues.
Lois Perry:We need we need to be thinking about the whole picture and and supporting our people. Most expensive energy in the Western world, if not the entire world, it's ridiculous now. They they it's impossible now to to run any kind of industry because the energy prices are so high. So, yeah, I mean, I saw this as a very, very positive sign. And the story actually said, Tony Blair Institute agrees with Donald Trump.
Lois Perry:So drill, baby, drill. Hopefully, you know, that that's the policy of of the reform party anyway. So and they're heading the polls in The UK at the moment. So fingers crossed, Dave.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Fingers crossed.
Anthony Watts:Climate sensibility is taking hold worldwide.
Lois Perry:Brilliant. Yeah. I mean,
Jim Lakely:I really think I really thought that was a that's a great sign. I mean, because you would I wouldn't have dreamed that was possible that the Tony Blair Institute of All Things wouldn't wouldn't just stay neutral or stay quiet, but actively advocate for more oil and gas
Lois Perry:They're pushing for it. That's what
Lois Perry:I'm You you know, because we talk all the time that that the Heart Institute in The UK and Europe, and The UK in particular, has been pushing very, very, very hard for this. And, I mean, the other interesting thing is they said if we're going to get our our emissions down, that we need our carbon emissions down, then we're going to have to electrify everything. And the this is brilliant. The cheapest way to us for us to provide our own electricity is to is to build more gas fired power stations because then we're not importing gas with a higher carbon footprint from abroad. But they're saying this like it's brand new stuff.
Lois Perry:How long have we been saying this stuff? You know? Anyway, it seems they're listening, so that's good.
Anthony Watts:That that is very good. Mhmm. They're not engineers. They're evocative. That's the their whole thinking.
Lois Perry:Yep. Yep. Alright.
Jim Lakely:Well, we're gonna get to our main topic today that the endangerment finding is dead. Forgive me for a moment. I'm gonna try to set this up so that we have the largest possible screen. Actually, what we'll do, we'll go back to this. Alright.
Jim Lakely:I'll put the I'll put this video up on screen. I I prepared something a little special for us to celebrate and to have a good laugh, at the death of the endangerment finding, so I'm gonna hit that video right now.
Speaker 1:McCoy.
Speaker 8:That Jim. A strange red modeling all over his face.
Jim Lakely:Shock bringing back together seems to have been too much for him.
Speaker 8:He's dead, Jim. Finished. It's dead.
Anthony Watts:Stitch.
Speaker 8:The man is dead. He's dead, Jim. Just like the other one. Stab over and over again.
Jim Lakely:Bill Shatner, thank you so much. Outstanding. For that. Yeah. I had some fun.
Lois Perry:You would
Lois Perry:not take time by any chance.
Anthony Watts:Little bit.
Lois Perry:I know.
Jim Lakely:We I I we didn't have time to all buy, Star Trek, shirts to wear on the air today. But, yeah, when I saw the Endangerment Finding was dead, I thought, you know, he's dead, Jim. It, it kind of was ever so. But let's let's get into the into the story here. By the way, Al Gore calls the end of the endangerment funding for greenhouse gases, quote, an all out assault on climate policy in The US.
Jim Lakely:If only that were true. They could have done more, and we'll talk about that a little bit later. Liday, maybe you can bring up the the slide that has, the actual Sure. Rule from the Environmental Protection Agency, which was released announced yesterday and, I think, put online this morning. This is the final rule for greenhouse gas endangerment finding.
Jim Lakely:In this action, the US EPA is rescinding the administrator's 2,009 findings of contribution and endangerment and repealing all greenhouse gas emission standards for light duty, medium duty, and heavy duty vehicles and engines to effectuate the best reading of the Clean Air Act. The EPA determines that the Clean Air Act, section two zero two(one) does not authorize the agency to prescribe emission standards in response to global climate change concerns for multiple reasons, including the best reading of the statutory terms air pollution, cause, contribute, and reasonably be anticipated to endanger. That about does it. The statutory interpretation is corroborated by application of the major questions doctrine. The EPA further determines that greenhouse gas emission standards for new motor vehicles and engines do not impact in any material way the public health and welfare concerns identified in the administrator's prior findings in 2009.
Jim Lakely:On these multiple and independent bases, the EPA concludes that it lacks statutory authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions in response to global climate change concerns under the Clean Air Act, and it is not finalizing the additional basis for repeal set out in the proposed rule. And before we we start to break this down a little bit, I wanted to show, some video here. This is Donald Trump and EPA administrator, Lee Zeldin.
Speaker 1:This is a big one. If you're into environment, this is about as big as it gets, they tell me.
Jim Lakely:Today, the single largest act of deregulation in the history of The United States, over $1,300,000,000,000, the elimination of the endangerment finding is signed, sealed, and delivered.
Speaker 1:The single largest deregulatory action in American history. That's a big statement in American history, and I think we can add the words by far. Under the process just completed by the EPA, we are officially terminating the so called endangerment finding, a disastrous Obama era policy that severely damaged the American auto industry and massively drove up prices for American consumers. Prices went up incredibly for a worse product. This action will eliminate over $1,300,000,000,000 of regulatory cost and help bring car prices tumbling down dramatically.
Speaker 1:You're gonna get a better car. You're gonna get a car that starts easier, a car that works better for a lot less money. We we canceled the EPA's absurd just totally absurd tailpipe emission standards, was a disaster for automobile manufacturing and revoked Biden's emissions waiver that would have allowed California to regulate automobiles for the entire nation, and they're crazy out in California. They have nothing but trouble out there, as you know, that's why people are leaving in record numbers. I also ended Joe Biden's extreme CAFE emission standards, saving the average American consumer much more than $1,000 when they buy a new car, but now we're talking about close to $3,000.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 9:What do you tell Americans who are concerned that the $1,300,000,000,000 in savings does come at a cost to public health and the environment based on science.
Speaker 1:I tell them don't worry about it because it has nothing to do with public health. This is all a scam, a giant scam. This is a rip off of, the country by Obama and Biden. And let's say Obama started, they didn't get it rolling, and a terror terrible rip off.
Lois Perry:Yep. Terrible God. I am so gel, as they say in Essex. Well, I am so gel. You are so lucky.
Lois Perry:You really are. Wow.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, yeah, Anthony, you know, this is a big deal, obviously. Let's talk about why it's such a big deal, and then we can get deeper into, as a group here, what it doesn't do and what more needs to be done. But, you know, Lee Zeldin calls the called the endangerment finding, it's now past tense, The holy grail of the climate change religion. And this repeal is something that our community of climate realists have been asking for since way back in the first Trump administration.
Jim Lakely:It seemed like it was never going to happen, and here it is.
Anthony Watts:Yep. Well, let me just be the first to say with this opportunity, it's dead, Jim. Anyway, but is it really dead? Is it gonna be a zombie like some of these other things we've seen? It's possible.
Anthony Watts:I mean, the left is going berserk right now. If you look at some of their their postings on x and other places, they are going after this as if you, you know, you killed their dog. They are after the the the fixing this. They have to because we're saving the planet and we're saving you. You know, if we don't get this back, this planet is doomed.
Anthony Watts:I've I saw another I saw an article today in the the Guardian, you know, the universally always alarmed reliable Guardian that said that we're closer to a hothouse earth than ever before, you know. Gosh. But of course, it's based on models. It has nothing to do with reality just like, you know, the endangerment finding. So what's likely to happen is they're gonna throw all kinds of stuff at this.
Anthony Watts:They're gonna see they're gonna throw all kinds of lawsuits and see what sticks to the wall, you know. And this is they're they're gonna do everything they can to derail this. And and the bottom line is is I think it'll end up in the supreme court. And the supreme court will probably look at the way that it was originally put together and what the limits of power that the EPA has were back then and say, well, you know what? They couldn't do it.
Anthony Watts:It was it was wrongly done. It it circumvented due process. It circumvented science. You may remember Jim, a fellow by the name of Alan Carlin, who actually attended one of our ICCC conferences way back when. He was at the EPA and he was one of the few people that held up his hand and said, wait a minute, when the endangerment finding was being pushed.
Anthony Watts:And he said that the science was being circumvented, the due process was circumvented. What did he get for his trouble? He got fired.
Lois Perry:Alright.
Linnea Lueken:Well, I I you know, we don't wanna be I'll I'll say this. We should be celebrating right now.
Lois Perry:We should
Linnea Lueken:not be, like, countersignaling the the achievement here at this point. You know, you can say, this is awesome. Let's go on to the next step like I did in the video that I put out, kind of summarizing what's happened here. But I would not be, like, taking to social media to say, you know, yeah. This is a worthless move in the long run because they can just bring it right back once they get in.
Linnea Lueken:I mean, it's true, though. And it's not just it's not just likely or possible, Anthony. I would say it's guaranteed that if the next administration that comes in is a democrat one and we don't get the right next moves in place, then it will be brought back immediately. It'll be like the Biden administration coming in and just undoing everything instantly in the first twenty four hours of him, you know, being in office with the auto pen situation. This week Oh, you do not have to play that.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you.
Jim Lakely:No. No. No. I'm just I'm playing I'm there's no sound. There's no sound.
Jim Lakely:I just wanna let you know.
Lois Perry:There is sound. Oops.
Linnea Lueken:There definitely is sound.
Jim Lakely:Sorry. I didn't I I thought it was on the
Lois Perry:other side. May
Lois Perry:I just say how well you look? You look amazing. Your hair, you look like a princess.
Jim Lakely:Well, not where I froze it. I'm sorry. That's fair.
Lois Perry:Can I just make one point? And it's a very, very general point, and it and it actually it it's it's it's not disagreeing with anybody, but it's just a bit of advice that my late grandfather and my grandparents brought me up used to say to me. And he used say, Lois, you must remember to plateau. When you achieve something and it's good, enjoy it. Plateau, then go on to the next thing.
Lois Perry:Don't start thinking, oh, you know, they could go back or what's next? So all I would say is what what I'm low, low plateau, and that's what you used to say to me. And I think we need to do that with this because this is a huge thing. And I think maybe you guys have got used to hearing great stuff coming from from your from your leader, but we haven't had any of our leaders saying great stuff for so long that, as I say, we've massive massive, jealousy going on going on here. But that but that's all I wanted to say.
Lois Perry:It is huge. It is massive. And, yes, they could try and unpick it, and they probably will. But you're right. Make sure the next steps make it more difficult for them to be able to do that.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Let me let me so I was thinking about this again this morning. I've been thinking about it a lot, actually, because it's such great news. And I'm trying to enjoy the moment and remember where we are and how unlikely this seemed not so long ago. Even when Trump was first in office Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Know, Steve Meloy, who again is is on this show a lot. He's on the board of the Heartland Institute. He was on Trump's EPA transition team. They had a list of things that they thought needed to be done to end the climate scam and madness in the federal in federal policy, and they got, like, maybe three things that were important on the list. And now the entire list is all checked off, and there's things on that list that they never thought of that have been checked off.
Jim Lakely:The engagement finding was, like, number one with a bullet, and it just didn't get any traction. And now here we are after an interregnum with Joe Biden, a second Trump administration, and it's on fast forward, baby. I love it. It's great. You should enjoy this.
Jim Lakely:But the one now now, I mean, I'm just gonna contradict myself. But, like, the little bit of of disappointment, like so the endangerment finding, all also so this is just really for automobiles, for carbon, you you know, for carbon dioxide emissions out of automobiles. One of the reasons why the energy economy in The United States is not as efficient and cheap and market based as it is is because of the regulation of carbon dioxide out of power plants. And, Linea Linea, you talked about this in in your video. I, you know, just follow Linea Lucan on x, and you can watch the video for yourself.
Jim Lakely:But there are two important supreme court cases related to this news today. One is Massachusetts versus EPA, which was the decision, stupid decision, I believe, one of those squishy swing justices. Was it Kennedy or Breyer? Wrote the decision, basically, opening the door for the engagement finding in 2009. And then there was the other case of is it EPA versus West Virginia?
Jim Lakely:That supposed was supposed to actually shut down the the engagement finding, but that was never really enforced. So maybe, Lynea, you can start to talk, and and and Anthony can also jump in. But there are a few more hurdles that we need to get over here in order to put this unscientific endangerment finding in the rearview mirror very far.
Linnea Lueken:Well, I'll let Anthony hit it first because Okay. I you can go watch my video. But yeah.
Anthony Watts:Alright. Well, I would say that we're we're at a point that's very similar to the movie The Princess Bride. Okay? We're at a point where it's mostly dead, but not truly dead. Right?
Anthony Watts:And so we're all waiting for the moment when it's truly dead and that comes in the future after all of these lawsuits and screaming and wailing Right. You know, get done. We're in that phase now. We're mostly dead, but not truly dead.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. That's absolutely correct. And and like Jim already pointed out, I'm not sure how much I can add to what you said, Jim, but it's gonna take a couple of court cases to get overturned. It's gonna take you know, if if we can overturn that stuff, what's gonna happen is it'll make it so that a it takes, like, a real act of congress, real pass legislation from, you know, the house and the senate and then signed by the president in order to get more of these regulations on the books again. We need to be in that position because it will be very, very difficult for them to enforce the kind of super unpopular, like, sweeping, you know, economic policies, basically, or what these greenhouse gas emissions, standards are.
Linnea Lueken:It it's crazy that they didn't have to pass anything in congress in order to get to a point where the federal government can shut down almost all of the major power plants in the country. You know? That's something that definitely needs to go through legislation if at all, which it wouldn't if it were put to legislation even during a democrat run administrations, I believe, wouldn't have made it through. But they basically just gave the EPA this, like, sweeping power to do whatever they want essentially, which is completely inappropriate. It's you know, you hear the you hear the left crying all the time about how, like, Trump is making the executive branch into, like, a fascist dictatorship.
Linnea Lueken:But but in reality, it's the left that's been forever running rough shot over the idea of our three branches of government. They've been they've been using the executive and all of its agencies as, like, weapons against the populace for for decades and decades. So it's it's the the height of hypocrisy to cry now. And I another thing that I would say is my fate one of my favorite thing that that's come out of this is now you're starting to see climate alarmists like Zeke Hausfelder and some other guys like that take to social media to say, look. This kind of thing can't be done at the stroke of a pen.
Linnea Lueken:There needs to be debate on the science before you can make these kind
Anthony Watts:of mistakes. Why didn't you say that years ago?
Linnea Lueken:And it's like, I just don't believe you because
Lois Perry:Yeah. All of this
Linnea Lueken:stuff was put in place when and they said, there's no debate here. There's no debate to be had. Yeah. It started to settle.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Debate is over.
Linnea Lueken:It's it's settled before it even started. We don't have to have any kind of conversation about this. We're just gonna go with it. Shut up. Go away.
Linnea Lueken:And now that they're not getting what they want, they're like, well, shouldn't we talk about this? Shouldn't we have a reasonable debate about the science and about the data
Lois Perry:that we're gonna a conversation.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. They're like, there's a reasonable debate to be had is what
Lois Perry:Zeke said. I'm like, no. No.
Linnea Lueken:There's no debate anymore. We are gonna crush this climate alarmist nonsense. And and maybe we'll toss you, like, a little treat. Maybe you can be involved in the Superfund site cleanups in the future, and you can do your environmental activism there.
Lois Perry:But there are
Lois Perry:self awareness is shocking, isn't it?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, I mean, people forget that the because it was seventeen, you know, eighteen years ago when Barack Obama came into office. He and he peopled his entire climate and EPA with radical environmental leftists from from well funded, by the way, radical leftist environmental groups. He did not
Lois Perry:They always are.
Jim Lakely:They always are. He did not put people in charge who actually know about the environment and our our scientists. He put in radical to to implement a radical agenda. The the declaration by the Environmental Protection Agency in 2009 to grab for itself by the stroke of a pen enormous power over The United States economy, and thus and that ripples out all over the globe, was unprecedented in scope at the time. And the what's kind of hinting back to what I've said earlier when we started this discussion, this is not something that, frankly, a lot of us on the in the climate realism movement thought was possible because, you know, there is something called political momentum, and there's something called stasis.
Jim Lakely:And that once ground is gained, it's such as this, it tends to stay there. It tends to it it tends to it tends to be in the possession of those who took it forever or or forever as far as most people alive are concerned. And that did not happen in this case. And so I was thinking this morning, you know, well, people on our side of this argument are like, you know, well, this is great, but, you know, it's just gonna get they're just gonna flip it back. They're just gonna reinstate it when the Democrat comes into office and gets the White House again.
Jim Lakely:And I was thinking, well, first of all, not so fast. I don't think a Democrat has a really good chance to win in 2028.
Lois Perry:No. I I don't
Lois Perry:actually work for it. So
Jim Lakely:a so a president Vance who may get two terms, that would be a long time that that this policy now, the correct policy, the scientifically and frankly morally and politically and legally correct policy has been in place. Then that momentum will be on our side, on the realist side, and it'll be a lot harder to, you know, to reverse it. And that points to the poll that we showed talking with you, Lois, in the beginning, polls in that that show that the American the the European people are not that concerned about climate change anymore. Polls consistently in The United States show that, you know, when you talk about why people are voting for a certain candidate, environmental issues come at the bottom of the list almost every time and has for many years. There is not going to be the popular political momentum to, again, allow an EPA power grab like the endangerment finding again.
Jim Lakely:That's why I think this really matters.
Lois Perry:No. I agree with you, and it's interesting because it Lenora, it was it was you that went to Davos, wasn't it? And I had a look around. Yeah. And you were saying that that our alternative Davos that we did, that for for the the heartland, but in Zurich, that that when you went and had a look around, you couldn't believe the the the lackluster amount of of climate alarmist type pro net zero stands and and activists that it was completely different to to to previous Davos events, didn't you?
Lois Perry:So that I mean, that shows you, doesn't it?
Linnea Lueken:Oh, yeah. It was dominated dominated by AI stuff. Yeah.
Lois Perry:And they need energy.
Linnea Lueken:They they push the climate guys off into this little corner pretty well. Good.
Anthony Watts:You know, one of the things that struck me yesterday about the the news conference announcement that president Trump and Zeldin put on is that one of the speakers right after Zeldin and Trump spoke said, no other president could do this or would do this. And he's he's right. And and Trump's a smart man. He, you know, he thinks many many steps ahead. And so what he has done has put into place a hold on.
Anthony Watts:What he put into was gutting of the EPA. He got rid of all those activists, you know. And he made, he did that on the first term and then of course some of them clawed their way back. And then the second term, you know, he took a scorched earth policy to the EPA Mhmm. And and got rid of a lot of those people.
Anthony Watts:And so it's gonna be harder for that bureaucratic momentum to come back. Yeah. Especially, as you say, if we get president Vance for two terms. But, again, I think it'll I think it'll stick. It will be a lot of screaming, a lot of lawsuits, and all that stuff.
Anthony Watts:But in the long run, I think it'll stick because Trump has essentially neutered the bureaucratic machine that sustained this. And one other thought, you know, we were talking about Star Trek earlier. I think
Lois Perry:that for fun,
Anthony Watts:we should make up some red shirts, some red t shirts to send to all of our friends out there on the other side of the aisle that say, it's dead, Jim. Get over it.
Lois Perry:Or it's nearly dead, Jim, based on the conversation that we had just now.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I think by the engineering department as well as the ground crew. Let's let's let's not send them cool shirts.
Lois Perry:No. No. Absolutely not.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, just just to tie just to tie a little bow on it. I mean, you know, ABC News had a meltdown about this. I do I don't have any clips for it, it's fine. But ABC News, Mary Kay Bruce, she said, in the blink of an eye, president Trump is wiping out the government science that was the foundation to keep the air pure and the skies clean.
Jim Lakely:He and then David Muir himself, the the anchor, said that president Trump has repealed US power to regulate climate in this country, and it's dangerous not just for the environment but for your health. Guys, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, and that was the reason why it doesn't qualify under the Clean Air Act because carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Just because it's emitted from a power plant or the end of a tailpipe does not make it something harmful to human health and welfare. This was always bullshit and a scam
Lois Perry:trying to trying to use
Jim Lakely:the the thinnest patina of legal justification to implement sweeping controls over over the entire economy. It was a it's a Marxist dream, and that dream is over.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Yeah. Good. Excellent.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. And I I just wanna say again to our audience here, we have a lot of people, including often myself, who are slightly maybe a little bit addicted to finding the or ignoring all silver linings. And even if something is really not a bad situation, finding a way to turn it into a bad situation or looking ahead at what could go wrong before
Lois Perry:Yeah. We need to enjoy it.
Linnea Lueken:That's gone right. So, guys, here's the position that you need that you need to embrace and internalize here. Yes. There's more to do. But this is a step in the right direction, direction and we need
Lois Perry:to be
Linnea Lueken:extremely happy about that. And also, I cannot emphasize this enough because this is something the left has been very good at and that we have been very, very bad at. And that is understanding the power of media narrative. Right now, the entire left wing media is running. We are losing doom and gloom stuff against the whole team.
Lois Perry:Yeah. That
Linnea Lueken:is very good for us. We should not we should not be trying to correct them. No. No. No.
Linnea Lueken:You haven't lost yet. It's okay. You you Yes.
Lois Perry:You're right. Yeah. Well, don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Exactly. You guys might win the midterms. You can still win. Don't do that.
Linnea Lueken:Don't give them what will you do? Say to you know, turn to your representatives and say, you need to support Trump because he's doing something great and we're winning.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Be positive.
Linnea Lueken:Like, what's our next step? We need to overturn I'm forgetting what it's called. We need to oak there there are Massachusetts versus EPA. We need to overturn Massachusetts to EPA. That's our next big step.
Linnea Lueken:It's as it's as big as Chevron. Uh-huh. It's it's very, very important that we get that done. That is the next thing. It's probably already in motion.
Linnea Lueken:And and we need to be positive towards future, not already talking about how we're gonna lose. Like, please, you guys, for for goodness sake, let's not let's not, like, anticipate and be excited about, failing. Let's go.
Anthony Watts:We're not anybody there. Is.
Jim Lakely:We're just
Anthony Watts:pointing out reality. You know? Yeah. The left is coming after this with both barrels loaded for bear.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And the point, the the West Virginia versus EPA decision from the supreme court, I thought and this this seems again, common sense is finally starting to catch up with political and and policy reality. You know, West Virginia versus EPA said that, look.
Jim Lakely:Congress did not give the EPA the power to regulate carbon dioxide emissions of any kind. And that just seemed to sit there, it didn't it didn't have any effect on EPA policy because the endangerment finding was just sitting there, and it took action to overturn it. It was just going to stay there unless somebody did something about it. And so this is a huge, huge step. The supreme court, obviously, is going to can find another reason.
Jim Lakely:I mean, the the Massachusetts EPA is about carbon dioxide being a pollutant, and West Virginia versus EPA is about only congress has the power to include carbon dioxide as a regulated gas. You put those things together plus the repeal of the endangerment finding. The climate alarmists have nowhere left to go. They have nothing to stand on anymore.
Lois Perry:Still have a win. Let's enjoy the win. A win.
Jim Lakely:Enjoy it.
Lois Perry:It's a win. It's
Jim Lakely:an absolute home run. And so, look, if congress wants to Lee Zeldin said this in the press conference. If if it's congress's desire to classify carbon dioxide as a regulated gas through the EPA, They're more than they're they're perfectly in their power to pass a bill that says so. They have never done so. They probably never will do so.
Jim Lakely:So tough noogie's. We win. You lose. Science is on the rise, and and dogma is on the decline. Good.
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Jim Lakely:I know I think, Anthony, you have to go pretty soon, I think, at the bottom of the hour. So we'll try to get through our q and a in which Lanea takes over. So Lanea, take it away. Yay.
Linnea Lueken:I can't believe Andy's not here and I still get that inflicted on me. Our layouts are a little bit messed up today, and it's our fault. But we're gonna we're gonna get through this.
Jim Lakely:We are. There we go.
Linnea Lueken:Okay, guys. Good segue, Jim. Good job.
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:Let's see.
Lois Perry:Okay.
Anthony Watts:Before you get into this, Lynne, I have a a comment from a viewer that we received by email that I wanna bring up about something I said last week.
Lois Perry:Sure.
Anthony Watts:There was a question last week that asked why are we getting all these spikes in power, you know, because of the cold snap in the Southeast. And I had pointed out that I thought it was because of baseboard heaters. And, I had a a couple of emails from people saying, well, why are you saying that? Well, we had one from, mike j zero one seven eight, who, sent this message. Says, please tell Anthony Watts that the baseboard heating is very efficient because there is no chimney where heat can escape the house.
Anthony Watts:Forcing air loses heat through the ducting and the furnace sends some heat up the chimney, but electricity does cost more than natural gas. Well, I agree that, yeah, we're not losing any heat from the chimney. But as a previous owner of a house that had baseboard heaters, I can tell you that in fact, the difference having two houses had an office and a house at the same time, you know, the office would warm up very quickly after we, you know, turn things down for the weekend. The baseboard heater home took forever to warm up. Not forever, but literally, it felt like that.
Anthony Watts:And here's the reason. And I discussed this with physicist Tom Sheehan who also asked me the question. And I wrote to him, electric baseboard heaters are often considered inefficient not because they fail to convert electricity into heat. They're actually a 100% efficient at doing that, but because they are expensive to operate and ineffective at distributing heats around a room. They function like a giant toaster using electric resistance to generate heat, which is a high cost method compared to other heating systems.
Anthony Watts:They have no forced air through them, relying only on convection, and that's the key point here. So there's very little mass transfer exchange of energy. Therefore, you have to run them longer than conventional forced air heating systems costing more to heat the space. And physicist, Tom Sheehan, agreed with me and said that, okay, I see what you mean. A baseboard heater filament will heat a few nearby molecules to very high temperatures and molecular collision will quickly bring the vicinity of the baseboard heater to a warmer temperature.
Anthony Watts:But warm air all over the room is is slow to react and it's achieved better by a convective system, such as the fourth air system. So when a basement furnace burning gas or oil heats the air being swept up or swept in from cold air ducts and send it forth through warm air ducts, the heat in various rooms is distributed more evenly. So I hope that settles the topic of baseboard heaters.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you, Anthony. And, actually, I have another heating question for you from the audience here. This is from d eight zero five zero one who says, would you address the endless warmer air holds more moisture mantra? It's technically true, but you must have a source of such moisture. They act as if climate change affects any given storm on Earth.
Anthony Watts:Well, yes, it's true. Warmer air does hold more moisture. However, warmer air also is more prone to convective activity. And we see this every day at the inner tropical convergence zone around the Equator, which acts as a giant thermostat for the planet. You know, it's very warm and very moist down there and we get all these thunderstorms that build up during the day.
Anthony Watts:They transport heat and moisture from near the surface up to the higher altitudes through convection. And as a result, we end up with all these clouds, you know, that are around the equator after these thunderstorms get going, you know, when the Equator is in the sunlight, that section of the Equator in the sunlight. And what happens is that they those clouds reflect more solar energy back into space. So it acts as an automatic thermostat. And so we we've seen the grand experiment.
Anthony Watts:What happened in 2022 when the Hunga Tonga volcano erupted and threw all this water vapor into the stratosphere, unimaginable huge amounts of water vapor. And what happened? Yeah. Temperature went up globally. Of course, the climate alarmists don't wanna admit to this because that just totally screws up their whole c o two theory.
Anthony Watts:But what's happened is we've seen a huge spike in temperatures over a couple of years, and now they're current they're coming down. If you go look at Roy Spencer's UAH satellite, data, you can see that we're now in a fast downslope, and that's because the water vapor is finally precipitating out.
Linnea Lueken:And as a follow-up, Wheelman, a frequent viewer of ours, so glad to see you here, Wheelman, Anthony, are you describing the iris effect?
Anthony Watts:Yes. To a degree. And
Linnea Lueken:What is that? What is the iris effect?
Anthony Watts:Well, it basically, it it it says that the inner tropical convergence zone acts like a an iris that opened and closed free for incoming solar radiation. And so, you know, when the iris is open, we get more sunlight coming in, hits the equator. But then it automatically regulates, creates these clouds, which then creates reflectivity, and the iris closes.
Linnea Lueken:Awesome. Thank you very much. We we love the science questions on this show. Alright. Let's get one for Lois.
Linnea Lueken:Let me find one. I know we have some.
Lois Perry:I'm glad you didn't ask me about with that particular last question.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Lois, what's the I really have. Alright.
Linnea Lueken:So Steven Lindsey asks, to Lois Perry, has Great Britain News changed after so many loved presenters leaving or fired?
Lois Perry:I would say that GB News is is still the the most non woke and and most open news channel of all. But, of course, the nature of the channel has changed a little bit because if you bring in new presenters and get rid of old ones, then things are going to be different. I think GB News has well, it it was threatened has been threatened with the by Ofcom. So they've had to, evolve the way that they, present the information. They don't wanna get shut down.
Lois Perry:I mean, GB News has been told by Ofcom that they are in their sights, that they want they want them gone, basically. But then that's a compliment to to GB News because why would a lefty organization like Ofcom want to get rid of GB News if it wasn't seen as a threat? And, actually, GB News is the number one, rolling news channel in The United Kingdom now. It's actually bigger than Sky BBC News what used to be called BBC News twenty four. Now it's just rolling BBC News.
Lois Perry:Yeah. It's it's it's bigger than all of them. So my answer is yes, but it's still the it it it's still the go to news channel for me.
Linnea Lueken:Excellent. Thank you very much. Alrighty. Let's see. Chris Nesbitt says, what about any and all regulations stemming from that finding?
Linnea Lueken:Will it be a long, slow process getting them removed? I would say yes just because nothing in government happens quickly. Right? You know, it's not it's not like next year's models of cars are all gonna have no more auto start thing or auto stop start feature. It'll probably take, like, a generation because they're already, you know, being produced and stuff.
Linnea Lueken:So just the same way other downstream things are gonna take some time.
Anthony Watts:I'm looking forward to future models of automobiles having a coal shoot.
Linnea Lueken:Take rolling coal to a whole different level. Yeah. Alright. Nuts and Bolts asks, and I think this might be a little bit tongue in cheek, in the interest of having a fair and balanced discussion, do you have time to invite Barack Obama to join your panel? I would be fascinated to hear what he has to say.
Linnea Lueken:I think he's trying to get away from hearing what he has to say, which is the trick. Right?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, actually, he said he he has a tweet. I don't have time to bring it up, but he said he tweeted this out yesterday. Today, the Trump administration repealed the endangerment finding, the ruling that served as the basis for limits on tailpipe emissions and power plant rules. Without it, we'll be less safe, less healthy, and less able to fight climate change.
Lois Perry:Also, fossil fuels price. Yeah. Also, the fossil fuels to
Jim Lakely:make even more money. I commented on x this morning. It's like, man, that's pretty low energy for, Barack Obama.
Lois Perry:I saw that tweet. But can I just make a a general comment? Before we actually started the show, I was talking about the, the tone deafness of of of the politicians in The UK at the moment and in regards to pushing an an agenda that the public hates and wasn't in their manifesto. I was talking specifically about ruling that's come in that children can choose their own pronouns and gender at schools without the parents' permission, and also the experiments that have been done on children at the moment, puberty blockers. But but that could apply equally to what you just said, couldn't it, Jen?
Lois Perry:Obama pushing forward with this when nobody wants it. And and the the polling showed in Europe, nobody wants it. The leading party in the polls in The UK is Reform UK, and they don't they're saying they're going to abolish net zero. Trump is obviously very popular in The United States. And Obama is still it's like, change the record.
Lois Perry:Change the record.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Alrighty. Will sugar asks, does this mean that carbon dioxide is no longer classified as a pollutant?
Anthony Watts:Yes.
Lois Perry:Yep.
Linnea Lueken:Alrighty. And David Maddox says, the people making the climate rules are usually lawyers. They have no knowledge of energy systems. How come nobody votes for technicians or engineers?
Anthony Watts:Well, you know, we have the archbishop of Randaberry who goes off on political things. And and then you have me that goes off on science. And so a lot of the time, you know, people don't get the science. And so when the the the engineers and the scientists start talking about things, people's eyes glaze over. You know, they don't get it because they don't understand the technology or the numbers or the process or whatever.
Anthony Watts:And so it's very, hard for an engineer to get elected into a position of of a public office. The exceptions to the rule are when these engineers are heroes, such as what happened with a number of people that were astronauts, you know, who went through the Apollo program and so forth. A lot of them ended up being politicians because they were heroes and people were able to get past the whole eyes glazing over talking about the engineering side of things.
Lois Perry:It's also to do the specific skill set as well, like the kind of skill set that you need to survive the Machiavellian trials and tribulations of politics are completely different skill sets to people that are able to analyze data, make things, design things, build things, understand the science. And you're right. Sometimes you have that combination of both, but, yeah, some some quite often, you you so you have to be not always, but you have to be quite a slippery character to survive either on the hill or or or in Westminster. So yeah.
Jim Lakely:Right.
Linnea Lueken:Well and and to be fair too, I mean, it's not like scientists and technicians and engineers aren't also susceptible to the same kind of ideological blindness
Lois Perry:Oh, yeah.
Linnea Lueken:That lawyers are. Right? I mean, we all are. So you don't just as much as I don't want to be run by a bunch of left wing lawyers, I also don't wanna be run by a bunch of left wing technocrats. Right?
Linnea Lueken:Scientists can be I mean, just look at some of the most famous scientists, like, on television and stuff right now. They're very smart in their particular field, but I wouldn't want them writing policy. So we have to be careful about kind of broad strokes like that. We want people to be informed on energy systems and stuff. And that's what, like, our I'm forgetting what the acronym is, but our we do have a, like, a regulatory body for the, like, grid and stuff.
Linnea Lueken:I cannot it's just totally out of my brain what it's called. Maybe one of the commenters can write it in. And they tend to be staffed even when there's a democrat in charge with some fairly reasonable people in terms of their job. However, it doesn't mean that the democrat's gonna take their advice. Right?
Linnea Lueken:Alright. Let's go. Wait. Thank you, Courtney. Wayne says, can be done to keep the endangerment finding dead?
Linnea Lueken:Well, I think we kinda covered it at the beginning of the show. Right? Getting getting certain there are there are a handful of supreme court rulings that need to be overturned, and I think that they will be because there is there seems to be a will for it in the court currently. And we also need to overturn the current endangerment finding on power plants as well to just kinda put a kibosh to the whole thing. Right?
Linnea Lueken:There yeah. There's definitely more steps. We need to make it we need to make sure that they can't just push this through the regulatory agencies anymore and that they have to go through congress. That's the biggest part.
Jim Lakely:Exactly. I mean, like, we we you kinda forget that in two I mean, because it was almost, you know, almost twenty years ago that it was a pretty it was brazen that the EPA just decided to declare for itself out of thin air the power to regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant. Yeah. It wasn't until the the only lawsuit to really challenge that was West Virginia versus EPA, and that took, what, sixteen years to get to the you know, to become case law. I mean, it should have been challenged Wow.
Jim Lakely:As a
Linnea Lueken:Yep. Absolutely. Okay. Let's see. Will congress have to act to drive a stake through its heart?
Linnea Lueken:I don't think so. I think you can do this without congress. You can get it was done without congress. It can be done again. It can be gotten rid of without congress.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. Ian McMillan, one of our other frequent viewers says, so can we go back to high tension piston rings in cars now? Yeah. Let's do it. Anthony would be the best person, I think, to ask that question.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Well, you know, this is something that was put together, you know, as part of the whole more efficiency, whatever. Yeah. We can go back to that. In fact, I suggest to everyone, go tear your engine apart right now and put in high tension piston rings.
Linnea Lueken:Maybe be careful.
Lois Perry:Well, what what
Jim Lakely:this really does and and they won't they won't admit it, but the CEOs of all the automakers around the world, especially that especially in The United States, have gotta be breathing a sigh of relief. Yeah. Only reason they were manufacturing these electric vehicles was because of the, CAFE standards that were increasingly jacked up by the Biden administration, which made it impossible to it would have made it eventually possible by 2030 to even manufacture an internal combustion engine vehicle. So it was a way to regulate cars that people like and could afford, you know, regulating them completely out of the market. And they were expensive, and Ford and Chevy have taken billions of right time on these vehicles.
Jim Lakely:And so now they we don't have to make those pieces of crap that nobody wants anymore.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Well, and, you know, it's I see I see kind of, like, far leftists complain a lot, especially on Reddit about, like, the size of pickup trucks. And they make fun of them because they're, these gigantic pickup trucks, and really a lot of them don't have the best like, the biggest engine in them either. And that's another thing that came downstream from the greenhouse gas endangerment. Like, it's forced them to meet these, like, weight limits, for emissions that are completely absurd from CAFE standards.
Linnea Lueken:And
Lois Perry:so You
Anthony Watts:know, friend
Linnea Lueken:people want those little if if you want a Hilux, you have to get rid of all these crazy emissions regulations.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. My my Sorry. My friend congressman, the late congressman Doug Lomofa shared motorhead in this with me, you know. He he liked hot rods. He was a Ford man.
Anthony Watts:I'm a Chevy man, you know. But we got along even with that difference between ourselves. Right? But, you know, he said the very same thing. People don't wanna buy these cars.
Anthony Watts:Let's not force them down their throats because it's just not working. And I'm sure he is smiling right now, looking at this and saying, you know, I told you so, and he was right. And so here's to you, Doug.
Lois Perry:Well, in The UK, we still have the the ban apparently coming into force on on all new, electric sorry. All new petrol diesel vehicles. As as I said, you know, I've said it a 100 times, but all of those policies, if if Reform UK win and, actually, the because the Tories have been copying everything that reform have been doing, they're now saying exactly the same thing that the that that that that will be overturned. So if, Labour lose, when they lose, because of the work that we have done, a lot of it to do with us, a huge amount actually, that that will be reversed, the, the ban on, on ICE vehicles.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. We have a a question from a viewer on Facebook, Don Williams, who asks, are you folks actual climate scientists? And I would say for myself.
Anthony Watts:No. But we play we play one on TV.
Linnea Lueken:For myself, I'm probably at least as much a climate scientist as Bill Nye is. So I've got that going for me. Maybe a little bit more even because I Yeah.
Anthony Watts:Well, I would point out that even Michael Mann is not a climate scientist. His his degree was in astronomy and math. And so Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:And you hear more climate scientists. Than he is.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Maybe.
Linnea Lueken:But the point is that meteorology.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. The climates you're a climate scientist is the universal, oh, well, you're not a climate scientist? Well, I'm just gonna ignore what you have to say. They they do that to our friend Chris Martz all the time on x. You know, they they say, well, you're not a climate scientist.
Anthony Watts:What the heck do you have to say about it? And then he said, well, I'm a meteorologist. And then they go, oh, you're not a meteorologist. You're you're some dumb guy, you know, some kid. Well, then he pulls up his his meteorology degree, you know, from Millersville University and and points out to them, yes.
Anthony Watts:I am, you doofuses. And they tend to shut up after that.
Lois Perry:Yeah. I
Jim Lakely:mean, just another another shameless plug for the climate conference coming up April 8 tonight in Washington DC. What you learned, and I've helped organize almost all of these that we've put together over the years, is that it's such a great opportunity to meet some really, really important and bright scientists. But we have scientists from all sorts of disciplines, you know, atmospheric scientists, know, people who who study space weather. You have biologists, and we also have a bunch of engineers. Engineers are a lot of fun.
Jim Lakely:And if you're lucky, you might be hanging out at the hotel bar and and listen in to a to an argument, a very friendly argument between scientists and engineers, which is always very enlightening. So we hope to see you there.
Lois Perry:Oh, I can't wait. And, no, I'm not a climate scientist, but my argument to that would be that I don't my personal belief, is that this has nothing to do with the planet and saving the planet anyway. It's a political, Marxist agenda, and I'm a political activist. So, you know, I'm I'm I'm well placed to to help help you guys fight it.
Linnea Lueken:Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. Kind of what it turns out is that climate scientist means just anyone who has the right opinion
Lois Perry:according to Yeah. Yeah. About climate science.
Linnea Lueken:Because I've seen people cited in, like, Washington Post articles and stuff who are called climate scientists whose educational background is, like they have, like, a bachelor of arts in some, like, political thing or something. You know? Like so it's really it's it's it really depends. Okay. Let's see.
Linnea Lueken:I wanna get another science question here before Anthony has to leave really quick. Let me see if I can find one. Sorry for the quiet moment here, you guys.
Anthony Watts:No worries.
Lois Perry:There's never normally any quiet moments when I'm around. So this is quite unusual.
Speaker 1:There are
Jim Lakely:rare things happening all over the place.
Linnea Lueken:I don't have another specific, like, weather question or anything for you, Anthony, but I'll hand this to you from Wheelman again who says, if we electrify everything, exactly where does the electricity come from?
Anthony Watts:Well, that's the big question.
Lois Perry:That's a
Anthony Watts:$64,000 question. You know, the the the grid isn't we don't have enough capacity in the grid to supply what the green dreams are for the future, you know, like for electrification by 2035. It just wasn't either the capacity to generate or to deliver. And so that's the big question here. And now it's becoming kinda moot because electrification of vehicles is on the way out.
Anthony Watts:And speaking of being on the way out, that's me. I have to drive to California. So please pray for me, and bye bye.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. My condolences. Bye bye. Thank you. That was Anthony Watts, you guys.
Linnea Lueken:He is here every week except for when he's not. Alright. Well, gosh, we still have a whole lot of questions here. We have a we have some good ones here for Lois
Lois Perry:Okay. Including
Linnea Lueken:this one. Okay. L t Oracle of Truth who is over on Rumble asks, how can Europe turn their Titanic around with this climate hoax? They are dug in.
Lois Perry:Well, no. All you need to do is is to repeal the the the correct acts in parliament and and abolished all net zero policies. I mean, we have a government at the moment that is so committed to to to these subsidies and renewables that if as soon as you have a government that isn't and is not interested and is drilling for, giving new licenses out in the North Sea, for ex as one example, we're gonna start fracking. The, the reform party is committed to fracking as are the Tories now because they copied them. So once you've got a government that wants to implement the correct policies and abolish the wrong ones, why not?
Lois Perry:Why why couldn't it work? You know? I I don't see any reason why not. I really don't.
Linnea Lueken:Awesome. Good good optimism. And I think you're right too. I think you can turn it around. It's not too late.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you. For anybody. It's it's just it takes the will. Here's a question from ClimateBell who says, why can't we educate people on the fraud of climate science? This will ensure it never comes back.
Linnea Lueken:People learn the fraud of Enron. Jim, do you wanna take it?
Jim Lakely:Well, I mean, yeah, shameless plug again. You can get educated on on climate science by coming to the sixteenth International Conference on Climate Change put on by the Heartland Institute, April 2026 in Washington DC. Get your tickets at heartland.org. But, seriously, I think, you know, I I kinda joke sometimes. I mean, we've titled this show the climate realism show, and in an ideal world, we have to rename this show to something else because the whole world comes around to a scientific based understanding of the climate and some humility on humans' ability to influence it in any meaningful way.
Jim Lakely:And, you know, that education is ongoing. There will always be the miseducated environmental zealots out there. So I probably we will always have this show titled this and coming to you every single week to counter it. But, you know, again, you see in polling that that the issue is just not that it's not as important to people when they are really when they're really forced to rank what issues are really important to them. And the more people understand about the climate, the more they the less they are worried about it.
Jim Lakely:The the climate alarmist agenda is being pushed because of two big reasons. One, the the zealots are well, there's few reasons. They're very well funded. They're very, very loud. They have a lot of pull and influence in our culture from Hollywood to, you know, to to Europe and Great Britain and and TV shows.
Jim Lakely:I mean, this the propaganda is relentless.
Lois Perry:Yep.
Jim Lakely:And and and and the the the other side of that is that politicians who desire control and more power Mhmm. See it as the perfect avenue. It's the catchall. It it Yeah. Answers it answers every challenge to more government control.
Jim Lakely:Well, we have to do it because of the climate. People are going to die. ABC News just yesterday after their appeal of the engagement fund. This is gonna make people sicker and all that stuff. It's it's nonsense.
Jim Lakely:C o two more c o two does not make people ill, but they continue to push the propaganda because it is the perfect, perfect avenue for government control over your life.
Lois Perry:That's why they're working with
Lois Perry:And what I would say to to that is the answer is to just keep on keeping on. We're just gonna keep on doing what we're doing, but making it the the breakthrough for me in The UK when I was doing when I when I originally started doing this four years ago, just well, actually, more than that now, four and a half years ago, was that when I when when it got to a point where other the news presenters or the TV presenters on the channels that I was going on set started to say, we should challenge the science. And then one or two of them said, I think it's a scam, and that was it. Then it was like, you know, at the, all of the at the emperor's new clothes, you know, the scouts falling away from the eyes. And then and then it became acceptable for people to say, well, I'm not sure, or I'm not I don't know what the motives are.
Lois Perry:And but there was an actual point where where it broke slightly. And I think if you just keep on pushing, pushing, pushing, we will get there. And as Jim just said, the polling is showing. People, when it comes to the crunch, this is not a big deal for them now. They just want a higher standard of living.
Lois Perry:I'll tell you what does decrease people's life expectancy and make people ill. Having a very low standard of living because their energy costs are so high and they're cold, or they're not eating good food because they can't afford to buy it, or they're not taking enough exercise because, you know, it that that they are the things that that will kill people, and that comes from expensive energy prices, which is that which is because of net zero.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Right. Well, we're kinda running out of time here, you guys. But I do wanna answer this question by someone I have not seen in the chat before. So welcome, Castlebrook.
Linnea Lueken:Right. Right. Yeah. So and and this is a question that has been asked by a couple different people. Most of them are kinda regulars for us.
Linnea Lueken:So sorry to our regulars. I'm gonna try to prioritize some of the new people in our chat here. But this Castlebrick asks, with the endangerment finding statement, what about New York City's local law 97 requiring buildings to reach 40% decarbonization by 2030 and net zero by 2050? It went into law in 2024, and the appeal was upheld in 2025. So I would say it depends.
Linnea Lueken:I would have to see the actual local law, but I would say that because this is not endangerment finding with regards to power plants and stuff, And this is just on the, like, the tailpipe emissions. I would say that this probably doesn't touch that. And, also, states are still going to be able to be crazy if they want. Like, California is still gonna be able to have their own special little thing. But Trump administration got rid of the California waivers, so that means that other states don't have to be tied to them and their decisions anymore.
Linnea Lueken:So California can go off and and deindustrialize and decarbonize or whatever all they want, and they can be a little, like like, eighteen nineties conspiracy, you know, enjoying their their horse driven carriages and stuff and their bullet trains that run on no electricity because it's
Lois Perry:out all the time
Linnea Lueken:or the bullet trains that run on nothing because they haven't been built. But, yeah, it's it's probably not gonna touch something like this. But I think downstream, the more it becomes more and more obvious that these policies are doing a lot more harm than good, I think they'll start quietly dropping them. Like, California California and New York City and and New York in general probably are never gonna come out and say, ah, we messed up. This isn't working out for us very well.
Linnea Lueken:We're gonna reel it back, and we're gonna focus on affordable, reliable energy. They're not gonna do that. But they might go ahead and say, like, just quietly put, like, edit their rules so that they can push them further and further into the future like they have done before. So, yeah, it's that's my guess anyway. Jim?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yeah. I think that's exactly right. I mean, as you were as I was thinking about it while you were responding there, I was thinking about, you know, the rise of the so called hard right and far right movements politically in Europe. And, of course, that that characterization is complete bullshit.
Jim Lakely:And I only say that I only say that to to to make the point that, you know, there was a time only, like, five or six years ago where far right parties in countries like Hungary and Poland were becoming politically successful because they were reflective of the desires of their own people. And what we've seen over the last several years is and now you see it in Germany. You see it now in The UK with with Reform UK. You see this I don't know. Normalization isn't quite the term I want, but, you know, political common sense has its own momentum as well, not just leftist totalitarianism.
Jim Lakely:That's not the only thing that trends. Political political common sense also has its own momentum, and and I don't think it would have been possible for for Reform UK to be where it is right now in in its power and its influence and its popularity in The UK were it not for other countries in in Europe never even embracing those sorts of things. So, you you know, we we like to talk about, like, kind of like a permission cultures. Like, you know, it took a like, for COVID, it took a while for people to have the permission to say, I'm not putting that mask on anymore because that person didn't, and that person didn't, and that person didn't. So good things have momentum as well, and I think that's that's indicative here in in radical climate policy, politics, and everything else.
Lois Perry:I think I want a bit of global warming next week because I'm gonna be knocking on doors in Gorton and Denton By Election in in in Manchester, which is always cold. And I'm gonna be doing a lot of walking, a lot of banging on doors, but it this if if reform win this by election, then and, obviously, I'm, you know, I'm not a member of the party, but I'm up there at Hartland UK. If they win this by election, they've Pierce Dahmer will probably have to resign because this particular constituency has never been anything apart from labor. It's been labor since the labor party was formed. So, anyway, so so I want you to be thinking to me next week when am I in the freezing cold and the rain.
Lois Perry:It's always raining as well up there. So so, yeah, that'd be interesting.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Jerry Palmer says take a good umbrella, Lois.
Lois Perry:Michelle. Yeah. No. I definitely have an umbrella. Definitely.
Linnea Lueken:And John says you'll probably need a boat.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll let you know. I'll let let when I come on the second Friday of each month, which I've very kindly been invited on to do, I will update you next month on on my antics, but I'll be tweeting about it as well on the Heartland UK and Europe, Twitter, and my own personal one.
Linnea Lueken:Excellent. Alright. Well and I wanted to say you guys too. Thomas Adams in our chat here is making good points as well saying that people should be going to school board meetings, speaking up during public comments portions, developing relationship with superintendents, all this stuff. All of this stuff is completely true.
Linnea Lueken:And this this counts for the, the climate issue too. Like Jim said, there's a permission culture, you can create it by just going and being the one person. You don't even have to take a hard stance. You don't have to go up there and say, this is communist propaganda, blah blah blah. No.
Linnea Lueken:You can go up there and say, look. You know, maybe it's global warming is a problem, but also, I think that probably the stuff that you guys are pushing is going too far. And here's why. And you can give reasons. And you can you can soften your approach and gets and just create the momentum of that of that permission culture so that people can start saying, yeah.
Linnea Lueken:You know what? Maybe it is kinda stupid to make all the school kids eat bugs. So so let's But I will I will hand it back off to you, Jim, because that is all the time we have for questions.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Thank you very much. I mean, you know, the soft pedal approach, that works that that's somebody's cup of tea. It's not always mine, but good advice for sure, Lynea. And I wanna thank everybody who is here with us today in the chat to join us for the Climate Realism Show in a very, very fun one because we had to we got to report on some very good news.
Jim Lakely:Lois Perry, director of Heartland UK Europe, thank you so much for being with us this week. You again next month as well. Thank you, Lynea Luken. Thank you, Anthony Watts, who is now absent. But, again, thank all of you, the viewers and listeners of this podcast, because without you, there is no show.
Jim Lakely:I wanna thank our streaming partners again, Junk Science, CFACT, CO2 Coalition, Climate Depot, what's up with that, and Heartland UK, Europe. Go to heartland.org today and get your tickets for the sixteenth International Conference on Climate Change. Seating is limited, and we wanna see you there. And we will see you here again next Friday. Bye bye.
Lois Perry:Bye. Thank you. We did it. We did it, Joe. You're gonna be
Linnea Lueken:the next president of The United States.
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