Socialism Rising Among Youth & Britain’s Free Speech Crackdown — In the Tank Podcast #509
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Linnea Lueken:Okay. We are now live. Welcome to the show, everyone. Well, the whole West seems to have lost its mind slowly, slowly over the past several decades. One of the places that this is most clear is across the pond of The United Kingdom in general, Great Britain in particular.
Linnea Lueken:A comedian was just arrested or another comedian was just arrested in London for making three rather mild tweets. Furthering the war on speech over there is also a bizarre bill meant to stop offensive banter in pubs, restaurants, soccer fields. Alright. Even worse, there has been a renewed push for digital ID in Britain, but that stuff can't happen here. Right?
Linnea Lueken:Well, a new Rasmussen and Heartland Institute poll cast some doubt on that. We are going to talk about all of this in episode 509 of the In the Tank podcast. Welcome to the InnerTank podcast. I am Lynea Luecken, your host, and we have a full house today, which I am so stoked about. All right.
Linnea Lueken:So we have Jim Lakeley, vice president and director of communications at the Heartland Institute. We also have Sam Karnik, senior fellow at the Heartland Institute, and Chris Talgo, editorial director and socialism research fellow at the Heartland Institute in his new office. So we were going to be joined today by another special guest, but she wasn't able to make it, unfortunately. So boy, it's almost like a staff meeting. Welcome, everybody.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Staff meeting that at that, the whole world gets to watch if they feel like it. Thousands of people every week, which is pretty cool. You know, you you joke. That is a that is joke, Lynea, but literally, that was kind of the the the thinking of the in the tank pocket.
Jim Lakely:That's why it's called in the tank. It was intended to give, fans of the Heartless Institute, fans of Liberty, just kind of a, you know, an inside or a window into what we talk about all the time anyway, as a think tank. We talk about big ideas. We talk about what's going on and how the principles of liberty and and, you know, smaller government and individual liberty apply to those things. So, you know, welcome.
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Linnea Lueken:Alrighty, guys. Chris, thank you so much for joining us today, Louise. I started to thank you, and then we got cut off by the intro starting. So I'm sorry about that.
Chris Talgo:Well, I'm glad to be back. And, you know, it's good good to be home and looking forward to a great episode here.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Alright, guys. So we're gonna get right into it with Unhinged. Do we have a drop for that today or no?
Jim Lakely:Oh, we do.
Linnea Lueken:Awesome. Okay. So yet another this keeps happening. Another comedian has been arrested for making jokes in The UK, and I think this is actually this particular comedian's second time being arrested for jokes. This just keeps happening.
Linnea Lueken:So this time it was comedian Graham Linehan, creator of the IT crowd and father Ted, and he's been arrested for cracking some highly offensive and dangerous jokes about transgenders, especially transgender men in women's bathrooms. So here's what Newsweek says about it. The Metropolitan Police did not identify Linehan by name, but a spokesperson said on Monday, first September, at 1PM, officers arrested a man at Heathrow Airport after he arrived on an inbound American Airlines flight. The man in his fifties was arrested on suspicion of inciting violence. This is in relation to posts on X.
Linnea Lueken:After being taken to police custody, officers became concerned for his health, and he was taken to a hospital. His blood pressure was spiking a bit of being arrested over this, understandably. His condition is neither life threatening nor life changing, and he has been bailed pending further investigation. So Graham himself wrote about all of this on his substack. It's quite a funny read actually for how depressing it is.
Linnea Lueken:And he included screenshots of the posts that police found so dangerous. So he wrote in his substack, the moment I stepped off the plane at Heathrow, five armed police officers were waiting. Not one, not two, five. They escorted me to a private area and told me I was under arrest for three tweets. In a country where pedophiles escape sentencing, where knife crime is out of control, where women are assaulted and harassed every time they gather to speak, the state had mobilized five armed officers to arrest a comedy writer for this tweet.
Linnea Lueken:And so here are the tweets if we scroll down a little bit in the sub stack, which I will read for the audio listeners. He said in the first, if a trans identified male is in a female only space, he is committing a violent abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls. The second is he tweeted a photo you can smell accompanied by the picture of a trans protest of some kind. And then I hate them.
Linnea Lueken:Misogynist and homophobes. All right. So we were going to try to have Lois Perry on here to ask her about how careful she has to be on X and other platforms. She couldn't make it. But, guys, this seems really mild.
Linnea Lueken:These couple of tweets, I've seen far more vile and threatening messages with explicit calls to violence directed towards like JK Rowling, for example, from, you know, the activist class. And and you never hear about those people being arrested for that sort of thing. So what's going on here?
S. T. Karnick:Is a good impulse on the part of Graham Linehan Linehan. And it's it's interesting because the the laws and enforcement in Britain seemed calculated to stop people from doing good things, from from following their best impulses. Linnae Linnaehenge clearly wants to protect women. And in fact, in an in another post, he cites dozens and dozens of cases where women have been assaulted in these invasions of their space by people claiming to be women. So this is this is a terrible thing, obviously, but it's it is interesting that it's as if they're trying to create a new culture where your best impulses are suppressed and your worst impulses are allowed to to, go free, and use your imagination to to do anything you like out there.
S. T. Karnick:And then it's creating certain favored groups and certain disfavored groups. And the disfavored groups get lit literally get arrested and jailed and imprisoned for complaining about these things, not for doing evil, but just for exposing these evils that are being done. It is a it's a sick situation. And, boy, am I glad that we have dodged the bullet here in The United States, and and I sure hope that Britain will change their mind about these things.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah, we've got quite a few, you know, listeners in The UK. So I'd like to see in the, you know, the audience comments there, what you guys think about all of this and yeah, hi, Ian. And so do you guys have to and this is a question for the for our British audience. But do you guys have to, like, watch what you say on x and other places? Are you worried that, you know, the the coppers are gonna come busting your door in in the night if you say something spicy on Instagram or something?
Linnea Lueken:Like, let us know because I wanna know how bad it is.
Chris Talgo:Well, Lynea, this does not apply only to British citizens because this this man is an Irish citizen. So he happened to fly from The United States to Heathrow Airport. He was then arrested by the British authorities. Nigel Farage, one of my personal heroes and a friend of the Harlan Institute. He's the leader of the, UK reform party.
Chris Talgo:He, was in front of congress yesterday and I watched some of the hearing and he was going back and forth with people like Jamie Raskin who was saying that, oh my gosh, you know, what you are, what you're doing here is you are trying to perpetuate hate speech and all this kind of stuff, and that's what this really boils down to. I mean, you know, Nigel Farage, he, evoked, Voltaire and he said, wait a second, one person's hate speech is not necessarily another person's hate speech. And, you know, there's a fine line between that. And that's where I think really boils down to. And Nigel did a very good job of, going through the history of how The United Kingdom, since it, joined the European Union and now it's obviously no longer part of it.
Chris Talgo:But, during the period, it was in the European Union from 1973 to 2020, how it, Europeanized, a lot of its, free speech laws, and he thinks that this was a huge mistake. And, you know, I'm gonna take a very optimistic tone here because I'm gonna be the optimist on this podcast from now on. And, according to the polls, the, you know, Nigel Nigel Farage's reform party is, definitely in the lead. It looks like they will win the election. I think it's slated to be in 2029.
Chris Talgo:It's not exactly like, you know, elections here in The United States. But if the you know, if Nigel does come into power and becomes the next leader of The United Kingdom, he said he is gonna make a huge effort to try to get rid of all these laws. So these laws like the Online Safety Act, I mean, there's a ton of them that can be used against not only British citizens, but an American who said something on X and then goes to London, they can be arrested for that. So that's a really scary thing. And I wanna make sure that people understand this is not just being applied to British citizens.
Chris Talgo:This applies to everyone in the world. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:You guys might recall back in February, JD Vance, gave an address over in Europe. I forget exactly what, you know, confab of bureaucrats he was talking to, but the the, you know, he warned about this. He talked about this. And, you know, Donald Trump has actually even hinted, I think, on occasion that, you know, look, if we're gonna be allies, I mean, I I thought the, you know, the West shared values of things like free speech and freedom of association and, apparently, we don't share those values at all. The United States doesn't with The United Kingdom, you know, which is used to be called the special relationship between our two countries.
Jim Lakely:Now that relationship is the fact and and Chris rightly points it out. Grant Linehan is not a citizen of The United Kingdom. He's an Irish citizen. So the idea that that that, five armed members of the Metro Police Department arrest him as he gets off a plane in Heathrow at at the London Heathrow's airport as Nigel Farage pointed out testifying, you know, perfect timing in front of congress yesterday. If they can arrest him, they can arrest me.
Jim Lakely:They can arrest you. If they look at your tweets and don't like them. To and Chris, as you as you observed and described, the repulsive member of congress, Jamie Raskin from Maryland, talking about, well, this is hate speech. I'm sorry guys. There's really no such thing as hate speech.
Jim Lakely:This whole idea that that we have to qualify some sort of speech as hate speech and that that now we have to have legislation to prevent people from engaging in hate speech is exactly where people like us, civil libertarians warned this was going a long time ago. I I was in journalism for eighteen years before coming to the Heartland Institute. I spent half that time as a as an editorial writer and columnist and I and this is back in the in the late nineties and early two thousands and at that time, if you're you might be old enough to remember is when we started to see laws hate crime laws and I wrote again, I wrote against those sorts of things because you were legislating the motivation of the killer or or basically, you were committing a thought crime that was considered just as bad as killing somebody. You know, I mean, if you if you murder someone, that's by definition an act of hate. That is and and so but we had these enhanced sentences for so called hate crimes for certain protected classes of human beings but not other sorts of human beings and here we are now where we're talking about so called hate speech where a comedian for making a joke on an American social American based social media platform can be arrested by a country in which he is not even a citizen and brought up on charges, charges of what?
Jim Lakely:I guess offending people. Look, too bad. You know, we we have to get away from this idea that if you are if you take offense at something that there must be punishment by law including fines or jail time to the person that you point your finger at and say this person offended me. What I what's so so amazing, we've talked about this on this in this context on this podcast before is JK Rowling who I disagree with probably on 99 of the of the principles she holds. But she holds one principle or maybe two that are important and should be shared by everybody no matter what political party you belong to, what country you live in if you live in a free country or even what know ideological outlook you have on the world is.
Jim Lakely:And that is the idea of free speech and also the idea that a biological male is not an actual biological female and should not be invading female spaces which are separate from men for a whole host of very very good reasons. Safety being among them. And just stating this now even in in a joke and even stating in a way that you might not because you think it would be mean or uncouth or perhaps even a little cruel. Too bad. You know?
Jim Lakely:Get on with your life. No. We live now in a in a well, at least our listeners and viewers from The United Kingdom live in a country in which if the government and the government's protected classes disagree with the way you think about something, they can put you in jail. Now look, I wouldn't use that kind of language, but that's just me. But everybody on principle should be together on the idea that this is wrong and actually very, very dangerous because if you do not have the freedom to speak your mind, you don't really have any freedom at all.
Jim Lakely:And the reason why, Graham Linehan was arrested is the same reason why under the Biden administration, we saw censorship of of conservatives. We saw censorship of people being having their YouTube channels taken away. People make a living on YouTube, not us, unfortunately, but a lot of people make a living on YouTube and they were having their their channels demonetized, sometimes even taken down altogether because of government pressure and it's the idea is to make an example of these so called bad actors to make sure that nobody else speaks to. This is like, you know, putting a head on a pike out out in front of the castle. That's a warning And these sorts of arrests and this sort of attitude is a warning to others to not speak their minds whether it be on trans rights or any of that stuff, whether it be on immigration or in the past whether it was on COVID or vaccines or heck, we talk about it a lot on this channel.
Jim Lakely:Climate change because that was the next one in the queue. This needs to be talked about a lot. I know I've I've seen a lot of podcasts already talk about this. This is a big international story and it should be and I'm not as optimist optimistic as Chris but I will express hope that this could be a turning point especially in The UK where we thought that they protected and appreciated free speech the way Americans do. I know they don't have a First Amendment but in principle, the idea that you should be able to speak your mind is a universal western ideal and it needs to be protected and this is a great case to make people pay attention because this is very dangerous.
Chris Talgo:And Jim, can I just add on to that? So, you brought up the immigration thing. So, Nigel in his testimony yesterday also brought up the case of a woman who is a British citizen, and this was in 2024. She had the audacity to tweet mass deportation now. Guess what?
Chris Talgo:She was sentenced to thirty one months in prison. That just blows my mind. I mean, I cannot believe that. It was actually and that was upheld by an appellate court in, in Britain. And, you know, it's interesting because I did a lot of research for this.
Chris Talgo:I wrote an article about this this morning. So I just found this so, you know, intriguing. And there are a lot of people in Britain who do not agree with this. I mean, this is, you know, some, you know, just just hearing and reading, you know, things from British citizens who were aghast at this, but it also is, you know, coming up at the, you know, police officers are saying, hey, wait a second, we don't want to be doing this. And even Kiera Sturmer said, maybe we have better and bigger things that we need to be worrying about.
Chris Talgo:So, you know, I hope that this is one of those cases in which there's such a backlash you know, against it that they do decide to, you know, change the appeal. Said he would repeal the Online Safety Act first thing when he comes into office. So that's why I am somewhat optimistic. It just seems like they they went way overboard here. And it looks like, you know, at least to me that ordinary British people are saying, wait a second, this is, you know, too much.
Chris Talgo:And police officers don't want to be involved in this. They know that there's, you know, much bigger problems for them to be dealing with. So, you know, it's it's a very, scary situation. So I hope this just brings a lot of attention to the situation, especially this latest arrest. I mean, this is just insane.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I mean, we thought we hit kind of peak clown world years ago when Mark Meekin, Count Dankula was arrested and eventually fined for just, like making a funny video where he taught his dog to raise its paw to Sig Isle. So and he was a Scottish citizen, I believe. So that's, you know, it's only gotten worse from there.
Chris Talgo:And I know this is not a perfect analogy, but I do remember that someone was put in jail in The United States for a meme that he made about Hillary Clinton. Oh,
Linnea Lueken:yeah. Yep.
Jim Lakely:So, I
Chris Talgo:mean, I I know that that that's not the exact same thing, but it to me, it's it's in the same vein
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Chris Talgo:Where it's like, guys, come on. There is room for comedy. There is room even for some crass offensive language in this world. And, you know, maybe this is a little bit of the, you know, the snowflake mentality and all that kind of stuff where it's like, woah, you know, I remember a time sticks and stones can hurt your, sticks and stones will break your bones, but names never hurt you. Whatever happened to that?
Chris Talgo:Whatever happened to people just kinda like, you know, it's like sliding this off the back and saying, yeah, it's just that's your opinion. You know? Yeah. I don't know. It's just to me to me, it is just so stunning.
Linnea Lueken:Well, bills are rolling on. Our second topic here today is that there is a continuing war on speech in Britain. We have a really remarkable story here. There's a new bill coming up. And so the free press talks about it a bit in this article.
Linnea Lueken:On the night of Wednesday, July 16, the labor government's employment rights bill passed its second reading in the House of Lords. If the bill goes into law in current form, and there's not much to stop it now, Britons can be prosecuted for a remark that a worker in a public space overhears and finds insulting. The war or the law will apply to pubs, clubs, restaurants, soccer grounds, and all the other places where the country gathers and all too frequently ridicules one another. The bill has been dubbed the banter bill in a last stand flourish of native wit, but it's no joke. It is further proof of the state sponsored decline of free speech in Britain or decline rightly criticized by vice president J.
Linnea Lueken:D. Vance, who despite the demands of his day job, still finds time for forthright banter on x. Alright. According to the parliament bill's website, it's currently in the final stages of being passed. So, yeah, I mean, Vance got scorched in the media over there for accusing Europe and especially The UK and Germany for tearing apart their free speech rights.
Linnea Lueken:But he was right then, And he's even more right now. How to borrow a line from Greta? How dare they? How dare they, you know, accuse Vance of hyperbole when they go and do this. Right?
Linnea Lueken:Jim, sorry.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, we have a video we can play that's related to the story that I came across. It was from Britain's GBN News Channel, which is, I suppose, their version of Fox News, it's certainly necessary if you don't wanna be programmed by the BBC. Maybe we could play that as a bit of a launching point for some more commentary.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely.
Speaker 5:Right. Can we talk about this free speech in pubs for What's going on here? Well,
Speaker 6:just madness, think. Just more of this madness employment bill from Angela Rayna, which really needs to be scrapped. Because if we're getting to the point where people are not able to talk about anything they wanna talk about in the pub, which is where you talk about anything you wanna talk about.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6:It's over. Pubs are over. You know, free speech is over. This whole bill is a disaster for employers and needs to be scrapped.
Speaker 5:And because the Quality Human Rights Commission is saying that if the way this bill could be interpreted, if you start giving your view on the transgender issue, for instance, someone can say, that's out of order. Conversation over. Your words offend me in my workplace, and therefore And the publicum then may be required to end the conversation. Hate throw them out the pub.
Speaker 6:I mean, really is 1984. We are living it now, isn't it? It's news speak. This is what you're allowed to say. Nothing else.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7:'19 I I think that that when it comes to the pub's bit, common sense would probably prevail, and I I think it'd be very unlikely there would be any action taken at a pub. It could happen, but I think it's it's unlikely.
Speaker 5:But the fact it could makes it wrong.
Speaker 7:But the the intention of the intention of this is is to stop harassment in the workplace. Yes. So that's that's the idea.
Chris Talgo:See The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Sorry, Jim. Go ahead.
Jim Lakely:No. No. 100%. And I wanted to play that clip especially for the thing at the very end. So, apparently, one person on that panel was not a a right thinking person and is just, oh, well, you know, well, probably wouldn't happen that they would throw you out of a pub for speaking wrong speak for a thought crime.
Jim Lakely:But, you know, the intention is to protect from harassment in the workplace. The idea that we don't have enough laws, especially in Britain for for this sort of thing. There's already employment laws here in The United States that if you have a legitimate case for harassment by your employer, you have action you could have actionable it it could be actionable and you can get redressed for that in many different ways. But see, this is the again, as you said, Chris, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. It should a a bill like this should not as as as Andy, producer Andy put up on the screen.
Jim Lakely:It passed the House of Commons. It got it just yesterday was on its third reading in the House of Lords and now it's it's basically on its way to passage. It's in the amendment stage right now. If one of those amendments isn't every word in this bill is null and void, and if that doesn't pass, then The United Kingdom is in very big trouble. I mean, the pubs, as the woman pointed out, you know, British pub culture is like the the the American revolution began in pubs here in The United in the in the colonies for crying out loud.
Linnea Lueken:The Well, that may well be kind of the point, isn't it, Jim?
Jim Lakely:I I I think that is exactly the point. And and the the the idea that this would even get introduced in a free country, let alone this far along, to passage in The UK, is is very, very scary. And it's, you know, it's and actually, as you just said, Lynette, the point the guy is, like, playing playing dumb. You know? Well, you know, it probably wouldn't be enforced in pubs.
Jim Lakely:No. The purpose of this is to have make sure it's enforced in pubs. Don't let don't don't let there be any illusions about that. The purpose of this law is to is to stop people from speaking their mind if they oppose government policy, period. That's what this is all about.
Jim Lakely:And if you are not able to do that, you do not live in in a remotely free country. And so this is very, very, very sad to see in The UK. It was nice to see these people on this panel push back at it, and I'm sure that majority of the of the British people are not in support of this. But you need to take to the streets then and make sure this stuff doesn't happen while you still can.
Linnea Lueken:See, that's the exact kind of dangerous call to violence, Jim, that they're trying to stop in this.
Jim Lakely:I don't have any trips to London planned, but, actually, our president to the prison at Heartland Institute does. Uh-oh. He's gonna be in trouble. I'll have to send him Yeah. A
Linnea Lueken:Careful. Well yeah. No. It's just it's terrible to see the way that everything is going over there. It's frightening, especially, we're kind of moving along quick here, but our main topic today is probably going to take a good amount of time.
Linnea Lueken:So this is good. But, you know, especially now that they're starting to bring up the digital ID issue again. So the Daily Mail is reporting on this saying labor's big idea is ID cards for all. Blair wanted them years ago. And now as Macron demands action, Starmer takes interest.
Linnea Lueken:Every person in Britain could be forced to sign up for a digital ID card after Emmanuel Macron demanded action to tackle the scourge of illegal working. I've got comments about that, but let's go. Sir Kier Starmer told the cabinet he would be exploring options around the concept as part of a wider package of reforms designed to make it harder for illegal migrants to live and work here. Downing Street confirmed ministers are examining proposals for a digital ID scheme fifteen years after the idea was abandoned following following an outcry about the impact of civil liberties. Under one option, anyone applying for a new job would be required to produce their digital ID to demonstrate that they have the right to live and work in The UK.
Linnea Lueken:Similar provisions could also be introduced for those moving to new accommodation, making a benefit claim or accessing public services. Labor ruled out ID cards as recently as July with Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds saying the idea was not our approach. But Keir has been told by Mr. Macron to address pull factors attracting migrants to Britain in return for French help and stopping the boats. Allies of the French president have warned The UK's lax rules make it in El Dorado for migrants.
Linnea Lueken:Question about the civil liberties row that ended the last bid to introduce compulsory ID cards, the spokesman said ministers believe the debate has changed since the last time we had this discussion with people more relaxed about the idea of having to prove their identity online. Alright. So I have a couple of things to say about this one. So, one, it always goes this way, doesn't it? This is what people mean when they give the example of boiling a frog in a pot, you know, turning the temperature up slowly so that he doesn't notice he's been cooked.
Linnea Lueken:So and and then again, you know, they're claiming that this is because of the immigration issue. But wouldn't there be a better solution here, like, just arresting and deporting illegal immigrants? And aren't all the immigrants coming from like, between front like using France as a stopover before they go to The UK. So what does Macron mean that The UK needs to handle this? They're in his country.
Linnea Lueken:So I'll pitch it to you guys, Sam. What if they just, like, arrested and deported people instead? Would that be better?
S. T. Karnick:Yes. It would be better. It's interesting when you're getting pushed around by Emmanuel Macron, you are really weak. But it's not that he's weak. It's really that this is what he wants.
S. T. Karnick:The the the reality is behind all of this is that, yes, it certainly is all about making sure that the that any government approved, policies receive only positive, notice, through the media, including social media. And so the the but the means to do that is, of course, to destroy those who step out of line. And what what that does is it's intended to demoralize the population, especially the normies, normal people who, just wanna live live normal lives and and work and have some relaxation and maybe go to the pub and and have a chat. And when you when you're in the pub, then if someone overhears you, they they can, they can call you out for offending them. But how does this actually work in reality?
S. T. Karnick:And how is it intended to work? In my view, it is intended to work the same way that the social media rules are working, which is that people who, that activists who are working to follow people who might speak out will then complain to the authorities and have these people arrested, thrown in prison. And this is exactly what happened to Graham Linehan. There's a particular individual who is very well connected, who, has continuously, complained to the government about things, about Linehan's tweets. So what this will do is it will be just like in The United States during the Biden administration where the government uses individuals, uses, people among the public to rat out other people and and and use the government to destroy their lives, which destroys all opposition.
S. T. Karnick:The way it was done during the Biden administration was that they went to the the social media directly and said, if you don't want more rules on you and if you don't want us doing everything we can to shut you down, then you will censor these particular, ideas. And you can and you better get your, what do you call it? Your your your systems set up so that those ideas don't get through. And that is exactly what the social media did. So this is all about the government using people within the society to destroy other people so that it will do two things.
S. T. Karnick:One, it will shut down opposition voices. But two, and perhaps the more important, element is that it will demoralize the people, the public, and make them more pliable because they believe that there is no way out and there is no alternative. What they're going to find though is that there is an alternative. It is already happening in Britain, and I believe that it is going to continue to rise in force. And that alternative is something that we may come to discuss, but it is actual reaction against the government that will ratchet up.
S. T. Karnick:There are very plausible papers and and studies that show that Britain is heading toward a civil war, and I believe that those are accurate.
Chris Talgo:Okay. I got a couple questions here. So first of all, where's Bridget McCrone when you really need her to slap some sense into Emmanuel? Because, I mean, this is a great situation where, you know, she could pull a, Will Smith and, I mean, you know, be better off. So there's that.
Chris Talgo:Second of all, this is like killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer. And third of all, it really is. Like you said, I mean, this is so backwards. We've got a problem with, like, with, you know, a small population of illegal immigrants. Therefore, all the British citizens, they're gonna have to have a digital ID.
Chris Talgo:Wait. That makes no sense. But this also, I think, does go to show that, you know, slippery slope is true. Slippery slope does exist. You know, Rahm Emanuel said, in 02/2008, I'll never forget these words, never let a crisis go to waste.
Chris Talgo:And here is a government created crisis in which The United, United Kingdom said, oh, we're gonna just allow all these, you know, migrants from Northern Africa and wherever else to just come and and and and and, you know, come into our country. Oh, whoops. It's actually creating a big problem. They don't speak the language. They don't share the culture.
Chris Talgo:They they can't maybe, you know, work whatever whatever it is. The British people should not be punished for that. You know? That's that's just where I just I can't believe what's going on in Britain.
Linnea Lueken:It's it's crazy.
Chris Talgo:Please, please, Nigel, win.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Oh, and and Donnie made this point in the comments here. Hello, Donnie. In the chat, he said, Mark my words, a digital ID is the foundation on which a future social credit score program will be built. And I think that's obviously the ultimate goal here.
Linnea Lueken:Right? Like, I don't think anybody actually believes considering they keep pushing the digital ID issue for, like, every subject under the sun. Right? Our friend in New Zealand, Chris Nisbet, says that the line they're pushing in New Zealand is that a digital ID will keep the kids safe, probably because we don't have a big illegal immigration problem. So they're just they just keep making up, you know, new ways that the digital ID is the solution.
Linnea Lueken:But really, the point is they want the digital ID so that they can cut you off from different things depending on your social media posts and all of Yeah, it's bad.
Jim Lakely:They're not legitimate reasons. They are pretext for a a for for an exercise of of government power. I mean, in in in the case of this idea in in in Britain, it's like, alright. Step one, allow mass, third world migration for years and years, at levels that no one can even comprehend. Step two, call anybody that notices the sudden change in cultural norms due to that, third world migration, call them all races.
Jim Lakely:And then step three is require a government ID of those lifelong native citizens to address the, the mass migration problem that you created. And then step four, of course, is monitoring your every move with this ID and then establishing a social credit system so that we actually live in Black Mirror. The great show Black well, it used to be great. Now it's just kinda good. Black Mirror was was a creation of The United Kingdom's creative, you know, pop culture.
Jim Lakely:And, we are certainly living it and getting very close to living in it. There was a one of the best episodes they had was one starring, Bryce Dallas Howard that involved a, social credit system that everybody was doing on their phones, and it it ruined her life because she got downvoted a couple times. We are very and that that exists in China. Donnie Kendall, who is in the audience today and was the former full time host of this show and and now is hosting other things. He's been on this topic for years and years and years and we will continue to be on this topic for years and years because of all the things that need to be resisted, a, you know, a national digital ID is basically the last step, then you really are living in in in a in an Orwell novel, and it's a dystopian nightmare.
Jim Lakely:So.
Chris Talgo:Just one of the one of the just quick thing to kind of tie this all together. So our friend from New Zealand mentioned that the digital IDs there are supposed to protect the children. As Nigel pointed out again and again during his congressional testimony yesterday, the Online Safety Act was supposed to protect the children from harmful content. Wait a second. You know what?
Chris Talgo:I think that the parents should protect the children from, quote unquote, harmful content, not the government.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah, it's, you know, they'll use anything to get what they want. I had something and I lost it. It was at the tip of my tongue, and I forgotten what I was going to say. So we can just move on to the main topic here. I had something to close this out, but your great points overshadowed my great point in my own mind.
Linnea Lueken:And now I cannot remember what it was anyway. So all of this is not just meant to be just bashing on the Brits today. We love our British audience. We have the best British and United Kingdom audience. But it could happen here is the point of this.
Linnea Lueken:Right. We don't think that our leadership is so much more you know, virtuous or whatever that that we could never slowly slide into the same kind of radicalism. It exists here, too, though it's not secured as full of a foothold maybe in our government, you know, laws the way that it has in The UK. And in our culture, I think we tend to be a bit more unruly. But still, some people seem to be more and more interested in far left politics.
Linnea Lueken:I'm going to read from a prerelease press release that Jim so kindly shared last night. But there is a little bit of cold water out here, and that is a new poll by stoppingsocialism.com, a project of the Heartland Institute. And Rasmussen reports found that support for radical socialist policies and candidates appears high among likely voters under the age of 40. According to the results of the survey, more than half of young American voters say that they want a socialist candidate to win the twenty twenty eight presidential election, including a shocking 35% of respondents who said they voted for Trump in 2024. Additionally, 76% of respondents said that they strongly agree or somewhat agree that major industries like health care, energy, and big tech should be nationalized to give more control and equity to the people, suggesting that increasingly more young American voters favor radical socialist policies.
Linnea Lueken:The survey included a 201 voters aged 18 to 39. And so that's kinda wild, guys. Chris, you worked on this issue a lot. You wrote an op ed about it. Why would these young people be growing increasingly enamored with socialism of all things?
Linnea Lueken:I mean, like, nationalization of industry major industries is pretty extreme. That's not just, you know, I'd like the usual standard boilerplate American democratic socialist, you know, kind of wishy washy stuff. This is like hardcore. So what are your what's your where do you see this going or where did this come from?
Chris Talgo:Okay. Well, I've got two things that I think are leading up to this. So number one, as most of the viewers know, I was a high school social studies teacher for five plus years. I started my, career here in the Northern Suburbs of Chicago at the high school that I actually went to, which shall be unnamed. And then I moved down to South Carolina and taught five full school years there.
Chris Talgo:I was shocked, literally just like blown away when during my student teaching, I was teaching world history and it got and I talk about this in an op ed I just wrote, when it came time to the Russian revolution, my quote unquote mentor teacher who really just kind of threw me in there was like, you're just you figure it out. He So didn't really do much mentoring. However, when it came time to the Russian revolution, I showed a, a documentary about it. And I remember he specifically told me to stop and that he wanted to go in and give the other side, which was basically a pro Bolshevism, pro Marxism. The cool acts were actually they kinda deserved.
Chris Talgo:I mean and I'm just sitting there going, I can't believe this is happening right now. Okay. Fast forward to, South Carolina. It was the same thing. It was the same thing in the government classes, you know, oh, socialism collectivism.
Chris Talgo:It's it just hasn't been done properly. And I was just like, oh my gosh, this is so crazy. So, Linea, what I'm trying to say is it doesn't really surprise me that so many young people, you know, 18 to 39 now have a misguided, view of socialism. They have been given a whitewashed version of it. And it's been happening for a very long time.
Chris Talgo:It's been happening at the, in, you know, at, universities and colleges across this country for even longer, but it has seeped into middle school and high school in recent years. And that's a very dangerous precedent. So there's that. Okay. I also think and some people might disagree with me on this, and that's good.
Chris Talgo:And, you know, debate is always good. Free speech, everybody. Good. Good. You know, good stuff.
Chris Talgo:That several I shouldn't say. Well, a large portion of the 18 to 39 cohort, which I am a little bit older than, okay, grew up in a economy post 2008 in particular, that is not a really robust free market economy. And I think that that's a big, big problem because when they have grown up in a crony capitalist, you know, big government, you know, intrusive economy, that's not really a free market economy, it makes them have a bad taste in their mouth towards free market capitalism. And I've tried to, you know, make that point to a lot of my friends and people who argue that, well, free market capitalism is terrible. Look at The United States in the past ten years.
Chris Talgo:Well, that's actually not really free market capitalism. You know, we've got Obamacare, we've got so many interventions, so much, you know, government spending, blah, blah, blah, blah, it really has created disincentives and it has skewed, you know, the job market, the housing market, the health care market, all this kind of stuff. So I understand how they can be frustrated with the status quo. However, their solutions to the problems that we definitely do face would make things 10 times worse, not better. And that's really what kind of troubles me is there doesn't seem to be many people, on a democratic socialist, you know, side of things that are saying, wait, just so you know, here is the, you know, here's the problem.
Chris Talgo:Here's why our free market economy is not working properly. And here are some ways to do that. They're just saying, take the whole thing, throw it in the garbage, and let's go, Soviet Union, two point o. So that's a recipe for disaster, obviously.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. And I wanna read off, some of the results from this thing. I'm gonna go through some of the questions here. So there was a, like, a surprisingly large, as I said earlier, chunk that said that they'd like to see a democratic socialist candidate win in 2028. And they were the people who answered yes to that question were also asked among the following options, which best describes the biggest reason you would like to see a democratic socialist candidate win the twenty twenty eight election.
Linnea Lueken:The respondents were then provided with eight options. So those the one that was selected the most for them was that housing costs were too high. And that's something we talked about last week, Sam. So I want to get your commentary on this. And that was followed by the economy unfairly benefits older, wealthier Americans, followed by the economy unfairly benefits large corporations.
Linnea Lueken:And, you know, you can see why they would say that. Right. But based on the way the things are. But the problem is, as Chris said, that they're attributing it to the wrong the wrong problem here. So, Sam, I want to hear your commentary on this.
Linnea Lueken:It's that whole, you know, the young people are being locked out of the American dream issue that we had last week. So let's go.
S. T. Karnick:Yeah. Certainly, they're feeling it that they that they are locked out of of the dream. Now you have to remember that younger people just have less money than people who are older. They've had less time to save, less time to earn. So they're going to have less money, and you're always going to have a an an arc of wealth where the older people are wealthier than younger people.
S. T. Karnick:That's a perfectly legitimate, situation, but it can be very annoying when you have a system that does not, provide the things that people want and need, above all, housing. And this is really more an effect of the overall structure of our system and in particular, the the the our our money. The US dollar has been devalued regularly over the years, off time and and usually deliberately where they say, okay. Well, we'll have 2% inflation. That'll be our goal.
S. T. Karnick:And then two two point five or 2.7 is okay. But what that does is it devaluate that devalues the dollar over time, and that tends to go to the advantage of people who are lenders and not borrowers. And so, over time, the the value of housing has increased ridiculously. It's so expensive to buy a house now, and it's because the the house is a real thing. The house is a real thing.
S. T. Karnick:Your dollar isn't.
Chris Talgo:Yeah. But, Sam, one of the big reasons that we have such a shortage of housing, especially for, you know, people who live in suburbs like Buffalo Grove where I live is because of regulations. And that I think is the real core of this. The core of this is that the local governments have made it very difficult for new housing to be built. I I I read the Daily Herald, you know, my local newspaper on Sundays, and I always read stuff about, oh, the the the local, you know, zoning board said no to this, said no to that, said this and that.
Chris Talgo:And that's what this is, I think, really about. It's core I mean, you know, big housing corporations like Pulte or whomever, they wanna, of course, build houses. They wanna sell houses to people. They're not being allowed to. So I think this is a government created shortage.
Chris Talgo:And if I really wanna get cynical here, I think that this goes into the fact that the government doesn't want us to own homes. It want us to be renters. It want us to not, you know, buy cars and own cars. It wants us to use Uber. So I think this is part of a much larger, you know, problem here.
Chris Talgo:I don't really think, I mean, the interest rates, sky high rates, you know, recently are kind of playing a little bit into this, but this is just a lack of housing and it's because the government is making it difficult, if not impossible to build housing.
S. T. Karnick:There that's quite true. And there has been, remember, a a very large expansion of The US population, which was caused by immigration. Yeah. So what you're what you're doing is you're but you're suppressing the the the supply and you're increasing the demand. So that's really that's going to jack up the prices.
S. T. Karnick:But on top of that, when you have inflation on top of all that and it's regular inflation, you're going to make it very, very difficult for younger people to buy houses. Why? Because they have less money than older people. So when people don't have a stake in their community and when they don't have a stake in the the state that they live in and the and the nation that they live in, they don't have land of their own. They don't have hard objects that they can look at.
S. T. Karnick:And and instead all they have is is social media and and, what do you call subscriptions to Netflix. Those aren't things where you say, oh, they can they'll never take that away from me. You know, it's like, who cares about that stuff? The important things are your your house, your land, your family. And what happens is that those things have been wrenched away from young people through all of these forces.
S. T. Karnick:Whether it's deliberate or not, to as a big plan to impoverish people and make them want socialism is actually immaterial at this point. It has happened, and and it has raised the support for socialism. The the teaching in the schools has done that as well. And what does socialism do? It simply gives more power to the government and takes it away from the people.
S. T. Karnick:And this is what we're we're having to fight right now is the the the fact that you cannot even show people what a real free market economy looks like because no one in our time has lived in. Even Jim and I have not lived in a free market economy, and we are old. So so that is the that is a major problem. They don't know what that would look like. And our our work here at the Heartland Institute, please support us people and tell all your friends to support us because we are the we are the, really unique thin end of the wedge there pointing out to people that, no, we don't even have a free market even here in The United States.
S. T. Karnick:And we can tell you what that would look like because we've seen it in the past. We've had it in the past. We know how it works. And and things like, a real currency and real, deregulation and real freedom work for people, and they are what will free young people to live better lives. So, it's an absolutely important point that, no, we have not even seen what a free market would look like, so let's have one.
Chris Talgo:I'm a I'm a little bit younger than you and Jim, Sam. But I do remember in the nineteen nineties when I was, you know, growing up that it did seem like we had a much more robust free market economy. I mean, my dad started a business in the early nineteen nineties. It was successful. It just seemed like there was much more opportunities.
Chris Talgo:You know, I also wrote, when my dad graduated college, you know, after working at the Quaker Roads company as a junior marketing guy for a couple of years, guess what? He was able to buy a car and start saving up for a home. That is just not the case for many college graduates also because, you know, they've got so much debt. My dad, he was able to work through college and pay for it. He graduated with no debt.
Chris Talgo:So there's a lot of factors I think that are making it very difficult. And a lot of that is once again because of the government. The government got involved in, you know, college lending. The government got involved in housing, obviously, you know, big, big, you know, blow up there. So I feel that the genesis of much of this is when the government comes in and says, we're gonna make the, you know, such and such marketplace better.
Chris Talgo:What almost all what happens almost guaranteed every single time? The exact opposite. For about fifteen years after Obamacare was supposed to make, health care more affordable and lower premiums, lower deductibles. I'm gonna write about this soon because we are coming up close on the fifteen year anniversary. The total opposite has happened.
Chris Talgo:So that's what happens. Well,
Linnea Lueken:and two, I want to, you know, call back to last week's show again. The crime issue is definitely part of it as well because I actually don't think that it's that we don't have housing. I think that part of it is an immigration issue for sure, especially illegal immigration. But immigration at large has been I think it like quadrupled after 1945. It's something insane like that.
Linnea Lueken:But the the crime issue is making it so that entire, like, sections of cities and and the, like, immediate suburbs around cities are unlivable for people because of how much crime is there. And there are tons of like empty houses and, you know, ramshackle places. All of that could be housing. And so I think that's what people get annoyed about when they see like there was a debate a couple of months ago about opening up some BLM land for housing. And one, no, I hate the idea of myself of opening up BLM land just to put like section eight on it.
Linnea Lueken:That's awful. I can't think of anything.
S. T. Karnick:We mean we mean Bureau of Land Management.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that.
Linnea Lueken:I forgot that we have there there was another, BLM that is apparently disappeared.
Chris Talgo:Lynne, even that's a government, like, sponsored activity. This should be done at the free market. If people are moving to North Carolina in droves, North Carolina should be having tons and tons of housing expansion. People are leaving the city of Chicago and they are moving to the Northern suburbs, but the Northern suburbs are not adding, you know, upstart, you know, like, you know, first kind of housing. So therefore, people like me have to live in apartments and the rent keeps going up and it just puts us in a situation where we can never get ahead.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah, absolutely. So all of these things, short of this or what we're getting to here is that like it's no wonder, right, that kids, you know, combined with the bad education and everything, you can't just look at these millennials, basically, and Gen Z who are, you know, becoming enamored of the promises of democratic socialists or socialists in general that, you know, we're gonna fix this because it's capitalism's fault. The kids, one, don't have don't have the education to know that this is not necessarily capitalism's fault, but also that they they are facing genuine, serious economic hardship. And it's not like I said last week, it's not avocado toast. Not the cause of their problems.
Linnea Lueken:All right. I see it all the time. And that's one of the things that's turning young people against older generations is that, you know, being told your entire life, well, you just have to pick yourself up by your bootstraps. I did it in, you know, the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s. So why can't you do it kind of attitude that that young people get from older generations?
Linnea Lueken:And it's not helpful. And we are in completely different economic conditions than there were before. Like I said last week, I have friends who have college degrees, have applied to hundreds and hundreds of jobs for, one interview. And it's not because their resume isn't good. It's because it's that bad out there.
Linnea Lueken:It's very, very bad. All right. The so that housing costs are too high is the number one most selected option under why they would support a democratic socialist candidate. The second one, the economy unfairly benefiting older, wealthier Americans. But we said, you know, if you're older, you're gonna be wealthier probably.
Linnea Lueken:If you're doing things right, you are wealthier when you're older. And then the economy unfairly benefits large corporations, And that's another government caused issue. Right? You know, basically just bailing out all these big companies forever and ever, handing more and more power over the economy to large corporations. I think there was a lot of rightful bitterness that got generated during COVID when you saw places like Walmart being allowed to be open when mom and pop grocery stores had to shut down, that kind of thing.
Linnea Lueken:So, yeah, it's we've just been, you know, piled and piled and piled on. And so these kids are trying to look around and find something better. And so far, it seems to a certain extent, a lot of the rights, even libertarians, have not been overly compelling according to our polling here in their, you know, alternative solutions. So this might be in part a messaging problem. Let's see here.
Chris Talgo:I was gonna say just, Lynette, real quick that the environmental regulations are also killing
Linnea Lueken:Oh, of course.
Chris Talgo:A lot of, you know, housing construction. Think after World War two when, like, Levittown was built and all these huge suburbs, they were built so fast. And nowadays, like I said earlier, I mean, if the zoning approval board actually gives them the green light, it's like six years later that they finally break ground and then they've got to make sure that they only don't go this high and they So there's a lot of that stuff as well here too.
Linnea Lueken:Yep, absolutely. Some of the other questions that were in the poll that I found pretty interesting. There was one that asked asked for, like, who was if you were voting for Trump or some other candidate or did you not vote? Once again, it was mostly women that voted for Harris according to the polling. Trump was about 50% men.
Linnea Lueken:50% of men voted for Trump, according to this poll. And a significant amount of people when they were asked, you know, if today if the Democratic Party's presidential primaries were held today and the candidates were Kamala Harris, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Gavin Newsom, and Zoran Mamdani, who would you vote for? 36% of the total people who voted said Kamala Harris. So I quite know what to make of that. Ocasio Cortez got one of the lower scores at 9%, which actually surprised me.
Linnea Lueken:I feared that it would be much higher. Mamdani got the bottom most rating. Some other candidates, some people who are like, I'll take anybody else. I don't care.
Chris Talgo:I do think some of that's based on name recognition. Just want to No,
Linnea Lueken:I believe so as well. I absolutely do believe so. Newsome got only percent. Sanders pulled higher. So I do believe that most of this is a name recognition issue.
Linnea Lueken:But it is kind of funny. It cracked me up that 11% said they just wouldn't vote if they were given all of these choices. And that was one of the higher segments of people. So that's great.
Jim Lakely:I'm able to vote for those people, I might not vote either.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah, that was a difficult one.
S. T. Karnick:I think it's interesting that Ocasio Cortez, who had been, sort of laid out as the the candidate of the future, the democrat of the future, got so little support from the voters of the future and, very much of the present time. I think that's very interesting because Ocasio Cortez has been very front and center about being a socialist and Mamdani has been very front and center about it. And he got 4%. Newsom, very weak, very weak, only 9%. I think it's interesting because these are people who are self described interested in socialism and yet they're they they went for overwhelmingly went for these so called moderate.
S. T. Karnick:But let's say the least overtly socialist of that group, in Harris. And so I think it it may have a certain amount to do with name and reputation. It always does. But it's not as if these people have not heard of Ocasio Cortez or Bernie Sanders or Gavin Newsom. They've heard of them.
S. T. Karnick:They don't like them. And that's that's very interesting.
Speaker 5:Can I can I point out a couple
Jim Lakely:things on the crosstabs here on this poll that I found I found pretty fascinating? Well, I mean, first of all, I think it's it's worth reminding the audience that this poll was taken of just younger voters. So, just voters between the ages of 18 and 39. So, Linea's generation and younger and it should be also pointed out that these voters and it it actually leaned more on Democrats than it did Republicans. These voters still gave Donald Trump a 48% approval rating, which is better than the approval rating of Biden by miles and even better than Obama's.
Jim Lakely:So it's this weird dichotomy of people who you could say are at least, you know, Trump friendly if not a full throated supporters still hold these these socialistic views and one of the one of the one of the questions that really stuck out to me and I'm really glad I should also say we we're gonna we partner with Rasmussen, Heartland Institute does for these polls. The pollsters at Rasmussen at Rasmussen are always not shocked but just like amazed that we come up with these questions that end up with these results that really get that can really dig down into what, what America is thinking about, especially when it comes to socialism. But one of the questions here was, do you, agree or disagree with this statement? Major industries like healthcare, energy, and big tech should be nationalized and give more control and equity to the people. And it was 39% strongly agree, 37% somewhat agree.
Jim Lakely:So, what is that? That's, 76%? Is that what that is? Did I have that right? Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Think that major industries like healthcare, energy, and big tech should be controlled and run by the government. And something that is really shocking to me is that 40% of Republicans strongly agree with that socialistic statement. There is a major education problem in this country. I'm blaming you, Chris, that these people have come up through the system and don't even if they are Republicans and even if they support Trump, think basically we need to nationalize industries like health care, energy, and big tech. All that would do is make well, it's already done.
Jim Lakely:We we basically have government controlled healthcare and it's very expensive and and and you know, it's not quite like Canada but it's not great. The free market is real yeah. Sam and I are are old enough, to remember to we're not even old enough to remember when the free market works in health care either because we're all we're all younger than Medicare, I think. At least I am. And but what do you think would happen if government controlled energy?
Jim Lakely:We'd have very expensive energy and less of it, and we almost got that under Biden as a matter of fact. And if they control and what if the government ran big tech? We'd still be, I don't even know if we'd have any technology. We certainly wouldn't have AI if government was running big tech. And so to have these socialistic views, again, you got I I was not able to be on the podcast last week, although I did check-in on the road from the Ohio turf pack.
Jim Lakely:I really enjoyed it. That discussion. But it is it's it's weird. I mean, it's not weird, but it is no wonder that that younger people in America feel left out of society, feel left out of this economy, feel that, you know, if the economy ever gets better and I think it's going to get better, that they will be left behind. It's not it's not surprising they have that attitude because they've come up and they haven't been able to you know, afford things and things are expensive and it's very, it's hard out there.
Jim Lakely:And it's, you know, and saying again, my generation and and older saying, hey, you know, tough it out. You know, I mean, I didn't own a home until I was, in my late forties and you know, that's that was in, that was in the Trump economy, I suppose, but, you know, that's just my experience, but it it's for sure that an entire generation, maybe two generations of Americans just don't feel optimistic about the future, and they have really been given very little reason to feel optimistic. Yeah, you would think, great, the government should probably take it over anyway. How could it be worse than it is now? I got news for you.
Jim Lakely:It could be a lot worse than it is now. Yeah.
Chris Talgo:But Jim, Jim, Jim, I I'd be willing to bet if you ask them to really define what nationalizing an industry means that they would not be able to comprehend that. I I I I don't think they really know what that means. I think they just think, oh, that just means like it'll be more fair. It's like, no, that's not what it means. So I think that that's another thing that, you know, their their ignorance of how economics works was very on display when I was just teaching really basic, you know, like macroeconomic stuff.
Chris Talgo:I mean, like the most basic of the basic, supply and demand and stuff like that. They just really couldn't understand it or just weren't willing to understand it or maybe just didn't believe it. I don't know.
S. T. Karnick:It's interesting because Trump has been known to, sort of badger industries and and go after particular even particular companies and so forth. So a lot of people who support Trump clearly must have voted for strongly agree or somewhat agree on on that issue. So there I don't think they are thinking of of sort of the the the what we know to nationalism to be. I think they're thinking of something different that that you're sort of jawboning, which is a very different thing, of course. Although all the all the government's intrusion in these things is cumulative.
S. T. Karnick:You don't get much, you don't get much going back. You get you get this ratchet, the socialist ratchet as, Margaret Thatcher put it. So it's cumulative, and and and it it becomes more and more oppressive to the economy. And these young people are reacting to the fact that they've grown up in an era where the American economy has been so suppressed that we can't be Americans because, you know, you can build things. Well, you can't when the government won't let you.
Chris Talgo:Sam.
S. T. Karnick:And that's that's our problem. You can't even you can't even say things in Britain, so it could be worse.
Chris Talgo:Sam, you and I have talked about this over the years, this idea that there's everything's a zero sum game. And I remember when I was, teaching about the Gilded Age, and it was the the the standards from South Carolina where robber barons are terrible. They took advantage of the work and all this stuff. And it's like, well, that's not really the true story of how that happened. So I think that a lot of young people think that everything is a zero sum game.
Chris Talgo:Bill Gates gets rich off of other people's like misery. No. He doesn't. He gets rich because he provides software that people wanted to buy or, you know Right. Or Amazon.
Chris Talgo:Oh, you know, Jeff Bezos. He just, you know, is this super greedy guy that just takes everyone's money. No. He doesn't. He offers a service that people want that makes their lives better.
Chris Talgo:So that's, I think, another big part of this is the envy factor, the zero sum game factor, the oppressors versus the oppressed factor, all that kind of stuff. And I I tried to always tell my students, guys, you know, if you work hard, if you know, and you, you know, get in a high school education and you don't, you know, have a child, before you get married, your odds of attaining the American dream are like almost guaranteed. It's when you don't do those three things or when you start to blame others for your lack of success that things start to go downhill. So I mean, I understand that the current economy is not as dynamic as it once was. I think we are moving in the right direction.
Chris Talgo:I'm very happy that we are reshoring some of those high paying manufacturing jobs. I think that that's going to really help. And I do think that we are on the cusp of this golden age for the American worker, but we're not there yet. And I, you know, I think in the meantime that we are going to have this struggle between the leftist demagogues like, Mandami who say there's a cost of living crisis in New York City. And the only thing that we can do is have city run grocery stores and a UBI and free this and free that when anyone would have a brain knows, well, that's just gonna make everything 10 times worse.
Chris Talgo:So I think it's incumbent upon us and that's why I love what I do because we get to challenge that, you know, that false narrative. Hopefully, we're we're you know, polls like this, you know, open up people's eyes and, you know, that's that's all we can hope for. So I'm gonna I'm gonna be the most optimistic person you've ever seen from here on out, guys.
S. T. Karnick:Suppression of Wear glasses for me.
Linnea Lueken:We're gonna yeah. We're gonna happen
S. T. Karnick:economic freedom has has absolutely demoralized young people is what this poll says in my view. And it's the same thing that's happened happening in Britain and happening across Europe. And we can change this. We have to.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. We're gonna make a new segment that's gonna be Chris Talgo, like sunshine rising over Green Hills segment drive. And he can take us to that optimistic place. Thank you, Chris. I do appreciate that a lot.
Linnea Lueken:We can get kind of down in the dumps here. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much to all of our great viewers here. Sorry, I got distracted looking at the comments of our great viewers. We really enjoy having you guys watching us live and commenting.
Linnea Lueken:It's always really fun and lively. But that is all the time that we have today, you guys, unfortunately. So thank you everyone for your attention to these matters. We are live every single week on Thursdays at noon central on Rumble, Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook. Chris, what do you have to pitch to to us to, end the show?
Chris Talgo:Well, it's the start of the NFL season, so I wanna say go bears. And I really hope I win the Heartland Survivor League this year because that would just make my day.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Alright, Jim?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Go to heartland.org. You can see all of the results of this polling. And in fact, we have two more polls that we're releasing next week. But if you go to heartland.org all through the weekend, it'll be one of the three featured items right there on the front page.
Jim Lakely:It's fascinating and sometimes horrifying reading, but I think it's important to know this information. And we'll see you tomorrow at the same time, same channel for the Climate Realism Show.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you, Jim. All right, Sam.
S. T. Karnick:Yes. Please go to heartland.org and support the Heartland Institute and send all your friends there and have them support this organization because we're doing, as you can see, very important work here.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you very much. Alright. Guys, listen to all of our great panelists and do what they tell you to do. Alright. Oh, before we totally close it out, Jim, did we have an ad read today?
Jim Lakely:Oh my gosh. We do have an ad read today.
Linnea Lueken:Just kidding. We have a couple more seconds here.
Jim Lakely:Oh, I but I don't I don't have it up. You're gonna have to do a little puppet show or something while I
Linnea Lueken:Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Hello, audience. Let me let me read audience comments real quick here.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. We'll do that.
Linnea Lueken:Let's see. Yeah. Christine Laurel says, while those youngsters believe a socialist government would lower their cost of living, I'm sure they have no idea how low the quality of their lifestyle would become. Education is badly needed. Yes.
Linnea Lueken:You are absolutely right, Christine. Thank you. Alright.
Jim Lakely:I'm ready now.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you, Scott Clay. Alright. There you go, Jim.
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Linnea Lueken:I pull the gym. Alright. And so that was a good way to end the show. Okay. So thank you so much to our audience who stuck around for the ad read, and please use that use adviser metals if you are going to be buying gold and silver.
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