DOJ Charges Southern Poverty Law Center — In the Tank Podcast #533
Download MP3Alright. We are now live. Welcome to the show, everyone. Well, the referendum in Virginia didn't quite go our way. In the name of restoring fairness, Virginians narrowly passed a redistricting map that turns one voting district into a confusing blob roughly in the shape of a delicious lobster.
Linnea Lueken:But there is nothing tasty about this bug. It decimates Republican majority districts, but there may be hope yet. For our main topic today, we're going to cover the amazing indictments coming down against the Southern Poverty Law Center, which apparently has been funding people within the extremist groups that they claim to oppose. The window company has been breaking glass around town, I I guess. And for unhinged, we have the very empathetic left physically assaulting a woman journalist for daring to be right wing while covering their anti ICE protest.
Linnea Lueken:And then they went on a sympathy tour in the media. We are going to talk about all of this in episode 533 of the In The Tank podcast. Welcome to the In the Tank podcast. I am Linnea Lueken, your host. And as always, we also have Jim Lakely, vice president and director of communications at the Heartland Institute, and Sam Karnick, senior fellow.
Linnea Lueken:Chris Talgo could not join us today, but we also have Andy Singer, who is our producer in the background, keeping the show moving along. There he is. Hello, Andy. And so to our English viewers today, I'd like to welcome all of you to the show as usual and also bless or wish you a very blessed Saint George's Day. How is everyone doing?
Jim Lakely:I'm doing great. It is such a glorious spring day here in Northern Illinois. It's finally here. It feels so great. I have the windows open, and it usually, this kind of weather puts me in a good mood.
Jim Lakely:But I took a lot of notes for this podcast, and it got me angrier and angrier. So we'll see how this day
Linnea Lueken:goes. Absolutely. Sam?
ST Karnick:Yes. I did a lot of thinking about this podcast too, and I'm getting funnier and funnier about it. I also I wanna wish everybody in addition to the Saint George's birthday. I wanna wish everyone who's listening on the live feed, especially, and the team here, a happy Shakespeare's birthday, which is international.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah.
Jim Lakely:It's
ST Karnick:for the entire world. Yes. William Shakespeare.
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Linnea Lueken:I wanted to get to that first at the top of the show today because we have so much to talk about, and I didn't want to have a interruption throughout all of that because it's kinda crazy today. So first with unhinged, A couple of weeks ago, Savannah Hernandez, is a reporter and she works for Turning Point USA, she was attacked while covering an anti ICE protest, and she's known for covering leftist violence. She's been attacked before at Antifa protests and and things like that. But this is an interesting one. In Minneapolis, she began to be surrounded and shoved around by protesters, particularly one family, a husband, wife, and daughter who followed her, blew whistles in her ear, eventually struck her, and the husband shoved her to the ground.
Linnea Lueken:That was bad enough, and Savannah ended up having to go to the hospital later for her injuries, I think having to do with whiplash. So we'll play the initial assault video here, which would be ice two. Yeah. Nice. By the way, blowing a whistle in someone's ear is assault.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Nice. You fucking talk to fucking talk Jesus Christ. Leave me. Leave We can stop here.
Linnea Lueken:So fast forward today, what are those people doing? They are going on a media tour complaining about how they have received online harassment since the event. So Savannah herself has been kind of keeping up with this. Obviously, Obviously, she is very interested in seeing what happens to these people. I believe she's pressed charges, but for some reason, the police have not, like, followed through with it or something.
Linnea Lueken:But so the father in the story says that the backlash that his family has been receiving for their actions last weekend has been overwhelming and nonstop. He's now second guessing living in The United States as he is a Ukrainian refugee, I suppose, because he's unhappy with how negatively the public has reacted to him assaulting a woman on camera. He is in complete disbelief stating that I've never had anything like this happen in my life. Chris and Diana have been going on a press tour continuing to assert that they are the real victims despite millions watching the foot footage of them instigating everything. There's also a GoFundMe for them where they're currently trying to raise $8,000 stating that they've lost their jobs and are facing one of the most overwhelming and life altering moments they've ever experienced.
Linnea Lueken:And I think we have another video of them complaining about the situation.
Speaker 4:You guys do get doxxed, but I don't know if you guys are getting the same type of stuff that we're getting. And it's nonstop. It's hundreds of phone calls a day. It's text messages, and I'm trying to get into all of our social media accounts and contacting our friends, our neighbors, our family. The rest of our family is getting doxxed as well.
Speaker 4:It's not just us. It's my sons, their wives. Like, people had nothing to do with anything. It's it's, a little overwhelming and and and makes me second guess even living in this country, to be honest with you, with all this going on. I've never had this happen in my life.
Linnea Lueken:Anyway, so also their one of their other daughters actually has gone to social media like disavowing the family, which is always ugly. But she is saying that part of the reason why she like distanced herself from them in the first place is because of their lack of accountability and, like, kind of crazy behavior in other instances. So this is apparently a pattern of activity. And I wanted to share this because I think it's really interesting how people like this can turn around so quickly and pretend to be victims even after the stuff is literally on camera, Jim. Right?
Linnea Lueken:I mean, how do you how do you square this square this with the, like, evidence that everyone can see?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. You know, in the video the first video that we that we showed of Savannah Hernandez, you know, I guess from one of her friends or even from her own camera, you know, you don't really clearly see what he did to her. But you see it on the second clip where, you know, somebody else has another camera, and he just he just shoves her to the ground from behind. Like, you know, big strong guy is, you know, assaulting a young woman. And now you're gonna go around and and think people are gonna you know, you want people you want sympathy for that?
Jim Lakely:That is the definition of unhinged, which, unfortunately, you know, sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's infuriating. But we have an unhinged segment on this show because there is so much unhinged behavior going on around the country that is worth mentioning. It's gonna be a feature for a long time, I I suspect. But let's also back it up and and just think about how insane this is. All of this for what?
Jim Lakely:For what? For the federal government enforcing immigration law. That's it. The left has been and this is kind of a running theme. It's gonna be a running theme on the show today, and has been for a while, and how the media and the Democratic party and the left, they are whipping themselves up into literal frenzies, violent frenzies over lies and and nonsense like this.
Jim Lakely:The Biden administration let in anywhere between 10 and maybe more million of illegal unvetted illegal immigrants, and they need to go. They've broken the law by getting in here. They're breaking the law by staying here, and this is the enforcement. I've mentioned this several times. If the Democrats don't like the immigration laws that we have on the books, they have no one to blame but themselves because most conservatives and republicans would have much stricter immigration law than we have today.
Jim Lakely:So what we have is we are enforcing the democrats' desire in immigration law in this country. And for and for that, you know, ICE is being attacked. They're being doxxed. I think California tried to pass a law. I think a judge just enjoying that, so it's not it's not going into effect.
Jim Lakely:But making it so that ICE officers can't, you know, basically be anonymous or wear masks and that they have to identify themselves. They have to be seen on camera so that their them and their families could literally be killed because that is what that that is how high and crazy this frenzy has gotten. And, again, for what? For enforcing federal immigration law. That's it.
Jim Lakely:You know? This is not and yet we have very these people are are are whipped up like this to the fact I'm trying to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. I don't think under a normal circumstance, he thinks it's okay to assault women. But here he is doing it and with with spittle coming out of his face in a complete rage. And what was her crime?
Jim Lakely:Standing there, standing around. The left and the Democratic party are are weaponizing and creating literal goon squads that they are unleashing on on innocent Americans who are not breaking any laws. This cannot continue. It just cannot continue this way. And and for him to then go around trying to get on a sympathy tour, and he doesn't know if he wants to live in this country anymore, hey.
Jim Lakely:The door is open, man. It same door that millions of illegals came in on is also open for you to go out the other way.
ST Karnick:This is the perfect a perfect example of the definition of the Yiddish word chutzpah, which is when a, person goes and kills his parents, and then he asks the judge for mercy because he's an orphan. And that's exactly what's going on here. And, Jim, you brought up law enforcement, and I think that is a central element of this. What's going on here is that the left, especially during the Clinton administration, but also even during the George H. W.
ST Karnick:Bush administration, began to take over the agencies of law enforcement and of intelligence. I I would say began to take over those intelligence agencies, but obviously they had a strong, contingent within those agencies long before that, for decades before that. However, during the nineteen nineties, I think it was obviously, weaponized as you saw with the rise of Janet Reno as attorney general. And you saw things like the the the terrible, frankly, I think a mass murder at the compound in Waco. And the so what is going on here though is that the left has taken over law enforcement across the country on the state and local level in many states, and they have corrupted it terribly.
ST Karnick:If you look at that video, you can see that there's a a police car not probably about 50 feet behind all of this. And they they knew what was going on, and they did nothing, nothing to break it up. Now that is reminiscent. If you ever have you ever seen any of those nineteen sixties movies where they're, based in a small town and the police are horrifically corrupt? You have to check those out.
ST Karnick:In the heat of the night is a famous one that I think it won the Academy Award that year. And the small towns depicted in nineteen sixties films, especially the ones in the South, are always shown as being terribly overwhelmingly shown as being terribly corrupt. And the corruption is always centered on the sheriff because the sheriff is really the henchman for the local government, the corrupt local government. And that's what you see here. And guess what?
ST Karnick:In those cases, in the nineteen sixties in the South, it was democrats that were doing it. Now this isn't a isn't a purely partisan issue, but it is a habit of this group, the left and their captive Democrat party, to break the law with impunity and then when they get caught, complain about it and lie about it. And this has obviously got to stop. The only way for it to stop is for people like this to be prosecuted and the people who have been protecting them to be prosecuted as well. The only way the people who can who have been protecting these people can be prosecuted is on the state level.
ST Karnick:And if that doesn't happen, then there is another remedy, that's for them to be prosecuted on the federal level. And this country has got to get after that because otherwise, the the political system is absolutely defunct. It's done. So we've really gotta get on top of this.
Jim Lakely:Well, mean, that guy shouldn't be go he shouldn't be going on a on a cable news
ST Karnick:media. He
Jim Lakely:should be he should be going to jail. He should be he should be calling his wife to bail him out of jail because that's assault. And the the left seems to think that they have carte blanche to assault people because they disagree with your politics.
Linnea Lueken:Well, why wouldn't they think that?
Jim Lakely:For so long.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. They haven't they they haven't been penalized for that. So why wouldn't they think that? I mean, it's gotten to the point where the the left really does play on, like, an entirely different set of rules than the rest of us. And it's it's gonna get worse and worse until they get some kind of, you know, repercussions for that.
Linnea Lueken:But I would say before I move us along here that I guess it shouldn't really be so much a surprise, not just because of the anti foot connections, which supposedly also exist in this particular ICE protest. But, also, if you're already protesting, upholding the rule of law, I guess it shouldn't surprise us that they don't mind breaking the law themselves, you know, and assaulting people and thinking that that's an okay thing to get away with if you, like, felt strongly enough about the situation that you were already protesting. I it's yeah. It's all just kinda messed up. You know what else is messed up?
Linnea Lueken:This redistricting map. So my next section here is talking about some of the new gerrymandering stuff in Virginia. This is very unfortunate, but once again, Republicans just did not turn out. We have such a bad time turning out for these referendums. And there were some very sketchy activity also with some of the vote counting as usual.
Linnea Lueken:It's really weird whenever vote counting gets delayed and the votes come in and stuff. It's it it never is like a a surplus of Republican votes that come in. It's just really strange. Anyway, so Virginia, this is from the post millennial. Virginia Democrats score victory with redistricting vote shutting out to GOP voters.
Linnea Lueken:So the vote will likely flip four out of the five GOP congressional districts in the state, taking the six to five democrat seat advantage in congress to 10 to one. The Virginia referendum measure to redistrict the state congressional boundaries pushed by Democrats in the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, has passed, which will likely flip four out of the five GOP districts in the state. So the measure passed on Tuesday night around 9PM with 50.7% yes to 49.3% no votes with more votes still coming in that evening, and and they all went pretty much to the democrats side. And the map proposed by the democrats in the legislature has been slammed by conservatives online showing that one gerrymandered district looks like it is in the shape of a lobster. You can see it on screen there.
Linnea Lueken:That is a very lobstery looking map. The text of the ballot measure asked of the voter to vote yes or no to the following text. Should the constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the general assembly to temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in upcoming elections while ensuring Virginia's standard redistricting process resumes for all future redistricting after the 2030 census. So just appalling. Anyway, so the daily news or the Daily Wire has an investigative reporter, Luke Rosiak, who noted Virginia currently has mathematically perfect fair con mathematically perfect the fair congressional maps, 55% of the seats and 52% of the popular vote, close to parity as you can get with 11 seats.
Linnea Lueken:And this obviously would change that dramatically. Now there is still hope, though. Ken Cucinelli reports that the referendum was ruled unconstitutional by a federal circuit court, Sam, and the judge blocked the election certification. So does this mean that this redistricting, like, craziness is dead on arrival, or is there still a good chance that this could move forward?
ST Karnick:My expectation is that it is dead, that it's not going to go through. There are some just major, major mistakes that they made in terms of the process, and those are those are very clear. Things that they did. Now the language where where they said to to restore fairness, that that that's clearly argumentation, and the law strictly says in Virginia that you can't do that in in creating a a ballot proposition. So there there that is the word that is completely egregious right there.
ST Karnick:It it can't stand. But on top of that, they they did so many other things wrong. And it's as I don't know if they really care whether they get the the seats changed. I don't I don't know if they really care. I think what they're really doing is trying to, pacify their base and show that we're doing something, which is what government's always doing.
ST Karnick:You know? We're doing something. So I think that it it's not going to stand. It it's just so far off that it's just it's just too many things wrong with it for it to for it to go through. I found though that there is a really interesting element here that that we really need to discuss.
ST Karnick:As as you mentioned, first of all, the the hilarious notion that there was a cheat involved even in this is purely comical, although, obviously, horrible. So it's everything in this country is tragic comic at this point. But I I I think that it went from a one and a half percent difference to a 3% difference in a couple of minutes. It was like that classic 2020 vote where you see it go whoop and then over. So in the presidential They
Jim Lakely:they call it an f curve because it just goes up like a like a like a letter f. Just like that.
ST Karnick:Right. Right. Well, what what's going on here is that although there was a 12 movement toward the Republican position statewide, it was 15 points. Spanberger won by 15 points. They won the governorship by 15 points.
ST Karnick:She's now the the most hated governor, I think, that they've ever measured the hatred for through polling. But and and and so they won this one by three points, if indeed they won that by three, and if indeed they won the original one by 15. But let's just take those numbers as as given. That's a 12 swing. That's a 12 swing statewide.
ST Karnick:If that proves true nationwide, this year will this year's elections, let's say, the the national elections will prove to be the biggest anomaly, the biggest change in history where you usually get absolute slaughter of the the party in power, especially with the presidential power. Usually, an absolute slaughter in the the the the second year of a president's term. This could be the the reverse. If these numbers prove real nationwide, this is a big story even though I think, as I said, I don't think it's it's going the the change is going to go through. But this is a big, big story for that reason, and we, will continue, I believe, as a a team here, continue to look at this because it has enormous policy implications and enormous implications for the future of the country.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. And it it's just yet another case of it's just another case of of Democrats breaking the rules and and not caring. All they care about is victory. The the reason why this was immediately challenged in court, and we'll see what judges it gets in front of in Virginia, we'll see, is that the Democrats broke the legislative rules, several of them according to Ken Cucinelli. And if you don't it's like, oh, that's just a technicality.
Jim Lakely:Well, you know, it matters. Following the the rules of the legislature matter because without it, you have absolute chaos. I mean, just think of it this way. You need a two thirds vote in congress to override a presidential veto. Imagine this like, you know, well, we we we got almost two thirds, so we're overriding it anyway.
Jim Lakely:That would be the same thing. That's why you have legislative rules so that you have proper order and that the will of the people is carried out, you know, in a in a sensible and legal way. If the if when this gets in front of the courts, they should throw the whole thing out. Again, we'll see what what what panels that they go in before and whether democratic democrat judges are capable of actually enforce you know, interpreting the law accurately instead of just yet again, getting another, you know, by any means necessary, cheat win for their preferred party. You know?
Jim Lakely:And this and, again, just on the on the general principle, we are being gaslit here Again, you know, the the, you know, the millions and millions of dollars, all the money for this went on the side of, yes, on this referendum in Virginia, you know, because it was, quote, you know, supposedly necessary to protect our democracy from Donald Trump, and we're being gassed on this idea that, well, all Republicans are the ones who are always gerrymandering. I live in Illinois. Illinois has been drawing congressional districts to favor Democrats for decades and decades, and and almost as absurdly, sometimes actually just as absurd or even more absurd than what happened in Virginia on this redistricting plan. What? Yeah.
Jim Lakely:That's right. At least in Illinois, so far, they only do it every ten years with the census. Although now there's there's talk that they're going to just come in here and do it all over again because, you know, you have to rig the rules. That's the only way you can win. I I lived in Virginia for a time.
Jim Lakely:I lived in both Northern Virginia and in what is called real Virginia. And real Virginia is awesome. Northern Virginia is not awesome. But these districts are drawn so absurdly that that it's basically they come out like spokes of a wheel in in Northern Virginia, Fairfax County, Arlington County, and it just kinda sprinkles out from that. You have people that are on the border, you know, on the other side of the Shenandoah Mountains that are that are represented by a member of congress now, if this if this holds, that live three hours away.
Jim Lakely:Yet if you're in Northern Virginia, you can drive for twenty minutes and go into three different districts right across the top. It is it is so it is so brazen, and yet the media coverage is is like it's no big deal. And and just one other thing about, you know, the idea that this is it's really unfair. I mean, obviously, strong republic or democrat districts to one republican district in in the state of Virginia when it's basically a very purple state slightly going to the democrats. To to all these if you encounter somebody who says this is completely unfair or actually is fair because the republicans do this, ask them how many Republican districts are there in all of New England.
Jim Lakely:The answer is zero. There is not a single Republican congressional district in anywhere in New England. I think it was 40% of voters in New Hampshire voted for Donald Trump, maybe, you know, maybe more. They don't get any represent representation in congress. It's all it's all dominated by the democrats.
Jim Lakely:So this idea that this is necessary to protect democracy and all that is, again, it's all projection. It's all gaslighting. It's all lies. This is the opposite of a democratic representation. It is disenfranchising half of the people of Virginia for a blatant power grab, and this is what they wanna do.
Jim Lakely:They wanna ensure that they take congress in the midterms. I mean, history says they were gonna do that anyway because they are determined to put Donald Trump out of office and in jail if they're able to do it.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Sorry. I keep coughing and stuff, you guys. The Matt Whitlock actually made a fairly good interesting point about this particular lobster map. He he he points out that it's not just crazy because of the shape, but it's actually because people that live West Of Shenandoah will be represented by an NGO consultant in Arlington that's three hours away, and he has to cross five districts to to actually get to the district or to maintain the district that he actually lives in.
Linnea Lueken:So it's just yeah. It's crazy. Oh, I see that you have the the map up there. Yeah. Wild.
Linnea Lueken:Chicago is as Illinois is is about as bad as this. There's some pretty crazy ones there too. But this is one of those things too where people get mad on the right when you say, well, maybe we should you know, maybe Florida should do a little creative map making and stuff like that. And everyone will go crazy saying, like, that's terrible. It's not you know, this isn't the right procedure to gerrymander like this.
Linnea Lueken:You know, you're not supposed to do it this way. Well, if if Democrats are always gerrymandering, and they are always gerrymandering, they've already changed the rule. So now we're playing by a standard of rules that they don't play by. We're playing a different game, a completely different game, actually, when it comes to this kind of politics. So I don't know what the solution is.
Linnea Lueken:One of our viewers asked the question or DJ Bo asks, should red precincts withhold election results until the cities have reported their results in full to try and prevent this issue where, like, randomly a bunch of democrat votes come in after midnight. That keeps happening coincidentally. I don't know about I I think everybody just has to get their votes in on time. I think we just can't do this thing where all of a sudden it pauses for a while and then it comes back again. I think you have to have on referendums like this, it's a little bit easier because you really do have election day.
Linnea Lueken:Right? I don't know. Maybe they were able to vote in advance, but I
Jim Lakely:think had.
Linnea Lueken:Oh, they were? Yeah. That I think you have to have election day would solve a lot of these problems. And and I personally think that we shouldn't be doing voting machines at all except for tabulators no matter how inconvenient it is. You know?
Linnea Lueken:Too bad. But we're having election day, and we're doing it on paper because because this has just gotten out of control. And all of these different mechanisms that have been built into our voting systems are just like fraud attractants. Every single one of them are designed to be easier to cheat. So, yeah.
Linnea Lueken:It's it's all a mess.
Jim Lakely:I mean, you said it, Linnea. It's it's how is it that god. I mean, I'm I'm gonna go I'm gonna go crazy again here. Because the twenty twenty election, we were told, was the most secure election in American history when we threw out every single election rule in almost every state, just threw it away, gave everybody a mail in ballot. People were reporting, you know, anecdotal it's anecdotal evidence, but people were reporting, I have seven ballots mailed to my house.
Jim Lakely:I don't even know who these people are. I just saw yesterday that in the state of Michigan, again, they're looking back at the twenty twenty election, there were people with printed obituaries that were still on the voter rolls and had and and and had voted. So the idea that voter fraud doesn't happen, the idea that a party so desperate for power would not try to get away with cheating in order to grab that power is to put it's just foolish to not think that that happens. And as you mentioned, Linnea, how is it that every time they extend counting, the the the vote totals only go in one direction? How is it that in the twenty twenty election in states like Michigan, Like, oh oh my god.
Jim Lakely:Here we go again. The voting the counting the counting stopped in just the swing states. How is it that Florida, which went strongly for Trump, was able to get their their vote totals in early. It was way on way on time. That night, they knew they had all their votes counted, but not Pennsylvania, not Michigan, you know, not Wisconsin.
Jim Lakely:It's it beggars belief to think that it's just a coincidence that counting stops in the swing states. And then when they restart the count, 90% of the votes go to the democrats. It is it it's impossible for that to have happened. I I will never there's no evidence of it. It's complete bunk.
Linnea Lueken:I will never forget 2020 because I was not just because of how crazy it was, but because of how glued I was more glued probably to that election than even Trump's election because Trump's initial election, I went to bed before it was all finished assuming that even though it was going pretty well that he wasn't gonna win because, you know, that was just kind of the narrative at the time. And so and I was also very worried about 2020, but I wasn't anticipating the level of fraud that we ended up seeing. And I was at the time in quarantine for COVID because we were working offshore. And in order to work on the ships offshore, you had to go into this quarantine hotel for almost a week and just sit around twiddling your thumbs every day in this hotel room. And so I that election night, I was sitting in my quarantine hotel room, like, glued to the TV that was on something, Fox or Newsmax or something.
Linnea Lueken:And then on my laptop, all the, like, different feeds and stuff that I was following. I'd never done that before where I just had, like, multiple feeds going, and I was really stressed out about it and stuff. I'll never forget it because I I stayed up through the point where the voting can't stop or the counting stopped randomly, and then it didn't pick up again until, like, 3AM or whatever. And it was just appalling. It was the craziest thing to watch.
Linnea Lueken:I think, you know, I never want anyone to forget those voter count maps that were like, here's the Trump one, just a kind of a regular distribution. Then here's the Biden one, and it goes, boop. And then it keeps going. It's just that was the most insane thing I've ever seen. I I've not heard a reasonable explanation for why like, how that could possibly happen statistically.
Speaker 4:Right.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Right. Totally totally normal.
Jim Lakely:And I'd also and and I'd also like an explanation. No one has ever even tried to offer one. How is it that in the last, like, four elections, it was, like, for Obama, 68,000,000 votes 68,000,000 votes, you know, Hillary, 68, 70,000,000 votes. Joe Biden, 81,000,000 votes. Come back to the next election.
Jim Lakely:We're back around to the 60, high sixties and seventies in the votes. How is how is that possible? Where did those 20,000,000 people go? Does anyone even ask? Does anyone even care?
Jim Lakely:I care. It doesn't make any sense to me. It it it's impossible. We didn't just lose 20,000,000 people. The rapture didn't come.
Jim Lakely:They they weren't taken away. I don't understand, and nobody would explain it to me. So the idea that it was most secure election in American history, and and I don't know how we got down this road. I started yelling about it, I guess. So this is supposed to be about the gerrymander of Virginia and restoring fairness to our elections.
Jim Lakely:I think the only way we restore fairness to our elections is what you said, Linnea. We have to have election day. If you if you're not able if you're not willing to get up and go to your polling place and and vote on the day of election day, then just don't too bad. You don't get to say it in the way, our our our nation is run. And I am a 100% in favor of making election day a national holiday.
Jim Lakely:You may maybe make it on a Saturday. Who knows? But make sure that, you know, nobody has to work. There's no excuses. It's very important that you vote, but you vote in person because every single fake vote takes away your franchise.
Linnea Lueken:Yep. Absolutely. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna move us along. I'm sorry, Sam. I'm gonna move us because I know that we're gonna need a lot of time to talk about our main topic today,
Jim Lakely:which is
Linnea Lueken:why I didn't even come up with a fourth topic. I I said we're gonna have three. We're gonna have our unhinged for a light introduction to the day. We're gonna have this one, and we're gonna have the situation with what I am calling supremacist payout law center. So the biggest news this week is by far the news about the SPLC.
Linnea Lueken:People are still talking about it. They will forever talk about it. So I decided to give it extra time since I know we have a lot to say about it, and there are a lot of angles to tackle this from. And we also have memes, I believe, for all of our wonderful audience's enjoyment. So for those of you who do not know what I'm talking about right now, the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group that's pretty infamous in The United States for being extremely biased towards left politics and causes, was federally indicted this Tuesday on charges of wire fraud and false statements to banks and conspiracy to commit money laundering.
Linnea Lueken:All of that is bad on its own, but the real story comes from why they were doing those crimes. That money, you see, was being sent to members of groups like the Ku Klux Klan. Yep. So in fact, the SPLC funded informants who were paid to post racist comments online even and even helped organize the infamous Charlottesville Unite the Right rally, you know, where that very fine people hoax originated. So the SPLC claims that what they did was fine because it was just intelligence gathering on dangerous groups, but attorney general Todd Blanche said that there was actually no evidence that the information was even shared with law enforcement.
Linnea Lueken:Hot air reports, we already knew that the fine people hoax was based on a lie that Trump called white supremacists very fine people instead of, as he did, condemning them. But until yesterday, we didn't know that the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville and whose protest led to the death of one person were bused there on the Southern Poverty Law Center's dime and were organized to be there by an SPLC informer. Two weeks after the Unite the Right rally occurred, SPLC went from 65 to 130,000,000 in donations. So for SPLC, it was a twofer. They were able to smear Donald Trump and all Republicans and also were able to double their revenues at a time when their donations were getting shaky.
Linnea Lueken:There are a lot of angles to cover here, Jim. I know you just had a big rant, so I'm actually gonna pitch this over to Sam. I've just decided to start. I want your initial take on this, Sam, because this is I mean, it's it's the kind of thing that we've always suspected on in kind of, like, right wing circles. Right?
Linnea Lueken:That groups like the SPLC and others were questionable with where their funding was actually going. But also that sometimes there were some individuals or some circumstances at, you know, right wing events that seemed a little convenient for for some of the, like, media narratives. Right? So I'll I'll pitch it to you, Sam, first to start us off here. What is going on?
ST Karnick:Well, this all requires power. What it requires oops. Sorry. Hold on. Ah, we got a barking dog going on here.
ST Karnick:This all power.
Linnea Lueken:It's not mine for once.
ST Karnick:It requires political corruption. And so what you have here is a situation where an organization has been, you know, has been creating false flag operations. That's really what it is. It's it's a it's false flags. The Charlottesville one is a classic false flag operation where you where the the, people who want to publicize the badness of their opponents create something that will be attributed to their opponents and make them look bad.
ST Karnick:And we know that our government has done this in the past. They've admitted it in many cases. We know that during the the presidential administration from 2009 through January 2016 created multiple false flag operations to create color revolutions across The Middle East in order to give greater power to Iran. We we there are so many instances we know of of false flag operations. So it they they generally when governments commit them, obviously, that is an absolutely horrific thing.
ST Karnick:But when private institutions do that, well, okay. I mean, do they have a right to try? I I don't don't think so because this is fraud. It's fraud. So what happens is in a a decent and well run society, You have companies like this, organizations like this get prosecuted for this the things that they do.
ST Karnick:You're not allowed to commit force or fraud. That's what government is for, to prevent people from being manipulated by fraud and coerced by force. So that's what government is for. But the point is that's so important here is that government allowed this to happen. They knew these things were going on in my view, and they were quite happy with it.
ST Karnick:And so when you have these especially because people would move from these organizations to other organizations, and then they'd move into government. Now the people who were doing these, activities in the right wing organizations, they were not, quote, unquote, informants, much less reporters. They were. They were paid to create false flag operations. That's what they were doing.
ST Karnick:And that is a that is a matter of absolute criminal behavior and then to raise money for this by claiming that you're fighting the very thing you're creating is absolute it's an absolute crime. It's a financial crime. It's fraud. It's just absolutely awful. They've been getting away with it because, obviously, the Biden administration surely could easily have known as as well as the, Trump administration justice department now knows.
ST Karnick:So they could have easily known that. It's either incredibly gross and, in fact, absurdly strange level of negligence, or it's deliberate. And my expectation and my belief is that it's probably, not the former. So this is a matter again of the country having been turned you saw it in the what you said about the twenty twenty election was was part of this, and you see it in in Virginia, that it's turning the country into a a nineteen forties to nineteen sixties or really a Jim Crow era, a small town in the American South run by a particular political party that was responsible for and proponents of slavery and then Jim Crow, and that are proponents of now other racial racially orientated issues and policies. And that party has deployed corruption and, frankly, quite evil behavior for well over a century, a couple of centuries, really.
ST Karnick:And until you get enforcement of the law, you're not going to get real change in this country, real positive change. You're just going to get a continuous a continual slide into destruction and self destruction, really. So, it goes back to a a phrase I've often used it. Liberty relies on rule of law. If you don't have rule of law, you you can't have freedoms because people can stomp on your freedoms through a variety of ways, through the acts of government, through the acts of private so called private organizations that are highly connected with the government and that are given a free pass, get out of jail free card by the government.
ST Karnick:The one nice thing here is that we finally have a federal government, Department of Justice, that is willing to look into these things and at least get some indictments. So this is a big, big, very important story.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Well and and one of the things, you know, the SPLC says that they were just paying informants or whatever, which is one without digging too deep into that at first, that does kind of fall apart once you see in the indictment, they talk about the guy in connected to the unite the right stuff that the all of their informants are not named in these indictments. I would be very interested to see them be named. I would be very interested to see who's who because we I'll I'll bring this up in a little bit, but we do have some ideas to who certain individuals could be who are listed under these indictments just based on past behavior and current behavior. But the interesting thing is that that excuse of, well, we're just paying informants to, you know, give us inside information into these, you know, dangerous groups.
Linnea Lueken:K. You're the Southern Poverty Law Center. You're not a law enforcement agency. Right? It and it also falls apart when you look at what they were actually paying the guy with the Unite the Right rally to do, which was giving him money so that he could bus other members of his organization, which I think was it wasn't Patriot Front, but it was one of those, to the Charlottesville rally.
Linnea Lueken:And also was directing him and supervising what kind of, like, racist posts that he would make online to gin people up to go to this thing. So this is I mean, if this was if the police did this, that would be like entrapment. The police aren't allowed to do that. And so why would the Southern Poverty Law Center be allowed to do that? The reason why police informants work the way they do is because there are a lot of guardrails.
Linnea Lueken:There are all sorts of when it's being run correctly, there are all sorts of laws that the police have to follow with regarding handling and communicating with them, what they're allowed to like, if they're allowed to pay them or whatever. All of that stuff is regulated state by state. You can't just have an NGO doing this. That's it's crazy. So the other so the other kind of angle that I I alluded to here is that the informants are unnamed, but people are slowly starting to kind of connect some dots which not confirmed.
Linnea Lueken:So I'll I'll put that out there. So don't, you know, go bothering these people or anything. But Gavin McInnis is the founder of the Proud Boys who were invited to a lot of these types of rallies, the Charlottesville one and stuff, and they were like, nah, for the most part. And he tweeted out that he remembers an individual called Jason Kessler was demanding me and the Proud Boys to come to Charlottesville, and I kept refusing again and again. He wouldn't drop it.
Linnea Lueken:I remember screaming him on the phone to f off and let it go. And that guy happens to actually have the, position in that organization that is indicated in the indictment. So or at one point at one point in time, he did. So that's kind of suspicious. Very, very interesting to see that.
Linnea Lueken:And, also, there's a tweet by Andy Ngo who I who researches, like, Antifa and stuff. And I had had this exact same thought when he brought it up. Because if you guys know anything about Richard Spencer, he was, like, the outright, you know, whatever guy running around, making a fool out of himself on television all the time. For some reason, like CNN and stuff would have him on even though no one else in these, like, right dissident spaces were able to get, you know, platformed like this. And as soon as that stuff started to fall apart, he all of a sudden, like, basically one eighty ed in his politics and is now, like, a progressive liberal online in his politics.
ST Karnick:So In 2020. He's he endorsed Joe Biden?
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. So Andy No says, I wonder if liberal media alt right star Richard Spencer was the twenty seventeen Charlottesville alt right rally leader who was bankrolled and supervised by the SPLC for his messaging. Because the Antifa activist, Michael E. Hayden, who was a former SPL spokesman SPLC spokesman later defended Spencer and accidentally suggested a few years ago that he knew more about him than he was willing to say publicly. So there's another one.
Linnea Lueken:Guys, be careful out there. I mean, you these obvious ones like Spencer because he was just a lunatic in the first place. No one, even people who were grouped into that, like, alt right category didn't particularly like Spencer. They pretty much all thought he was stupid. But he he was very suspicious from the beginning, but there are probably people out there who are less suspicious.
Linnea Lueken:We we remember this from the or even more so. We remember this from the Gretchen Whitner near kidnapping plot, and it turned out to be like a man who is Thursday situation where every single one of the people involved was actually a police officer or or federal agent. Jim, I think you had comments about that situation because, you know, if if the feds can do this stuff, why why does the SPLC think that they can also do this stuff?
Jim Lakely:Well, I mean, I'm gonna try to remain calm for a moment.
Linnea Lueken:No. I I gave you enough time to, like, settle down from the twenty twenty election fraud topic. So Yeah. You you should be okay.
Jim Lakely:Well, as you pointed out, you know, the the Southern Poverty Law Center is not a law enforcement agency. The idea of, like, they're paying informants let me let me let me do a little hypothetical for you here. Let's just say, for instance, Greenpeace has, for years, been secretly paying Linnea Lueken handsomely to infiltrate the Heartland Institute. And we've all just been completely oblivious and thought nothing about how she could afford such a fancy chicken coop with designer birds. You know, she just saved her money.
Jim Lakely:You know, that's how that's how that happened. And but but the secret plan of Greenpeace is for Linnea then to spearhead a series of videos that oppose everything Greenpeace has been working to accomplish for decades. And then those videos prove super popular that they generate more than a million views. So Greenpeace has infiltrated Heartland with the result of making this even more prominent and successful. That's not why you plant a paid informant.
Jim Lakely:It's not to it's not to make the targeted organization even better. It's to take it down from the inside. That that is if you have both the, you know, the the legal authority to even do so. You know, it's you know, watch watch, you know, watch any movie. Watch Donnie Darko, I think, is one of the movies that does that.
Jim Lakely:It's like, you know, you don't infiltrate an organization to make it to make it more successful, to put on a stop hate unite the right rally. And you also don't pay millions of dollars to the leaders of of these racist organizations. That's that's not how you infiltrate a an an enemy organization. You know, look, you Sam just said it. You know, Charlottesville was was basically a SIOP.
Jim Lakely:You know, the the Southern Poverty Law Center was paying the the protesters against the white supremacists, and they were also paying the white supremacists. That's insane. And the fact that they thought they could get away with it. We're gonna get into the specific crimes that are alleged here, and they are very serious, you know, in in a few minutes here. But, you know actually, I wanna set something up.
Jim Lakely:We have a video here. The reason why this is so dangerous and so such a big story and really needs to stay in the news for a long time, our mainstream media, of course, is trying to wave this away. But look. Alright. I'll set it up this way.
Jim Lakely:The the Southern Poverty Law Center has committed a hate crime against the American people with this Charlottesville sigh out. They were trying to gin up a race war in this country. I think we need to be clear about that. And they were putting targets on the backs of mainstream conservatives and conservative organizations. So we have a clip here that I grabbed this morning from our our late friend, Charlie Kirk.
Jim Lakely:The Southern Poverty Law Center, which both the Biden administration took as basically a partner in its prosecutorial focus, and the media took the Southern Poverty Law Center's word as gospel. If they called you a hate group, you were a hate group. They the Southern Poverty Law Center put Turning Point USA on their hate map, and a few months later, Charlie Kirk was killed. Can we play and he he he almost predicted his death on an interview on Fox News. Can we play that video, please, Andy?
Speaker 5:High school chapters of ours on a hate group next to the KKK and next to neo Nazi groups. And, I mean, we can laugh this off. There's an element to this. Remember that there was a shooter that went to the Family Research Council years ago, inspired by the SSPLC list. This is them trying to make us basically surrender at Turning Point USA.
Speaker 5:We're gonna do the opposite, and our students are only gonna lean in even more. But they can't debate us on our ideas. They cannot have dialogue. They cannot actually go on to the merits of why they are right or why we might be wrong. Instead, they must smear us with the age old one liner that you are a racist or that you are a hater.
Speaker 5:And they're finally realizing the power of Turning Point USA, which is why they put us Well,
Jim Lakely:when you're effective, you're you're a threat. The the man alleged who's been charged with murdering Charlie Kirk in front of his family and in front of a crowd of people on live television, that part of the in part of the investigation, the indictment, he said you can't negotiate with hate. And so you have to take action, I suppose. This is the the running theme here. The Southern Poverty the the SPLC put a target on Charlie Kirk, and somebody used that target to put a bullet through it and kill him.
Jim Lakely:The Southern Poverty Law Center worked with, as I mentioned before, worked with Biden's justice department, worked with their FBI. The Southern Poverty Law Center considered conservative Catholic groups to be a terroristic threat to The United States. Joe Biden, again, echoing the rhetoric and the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center, said that white supremacy was the biggest threat to the homeland. Repeatedly, he said this. In his State of the Union address, he said this.
Jim Lakely:In that infamous blood red speech in in Philadelphia, I believe, he said this. The FBI said this. The the his justice department said this. And, of course, Joe Biden himself Charlottesville the whole Charlottesville thing was basically a complete hoax. And repeatedly, if you take him at his word, Joe Biden said the reason he had to run for president in 2020 was because of Charlottesville.
Jim Lakely:Kamala Harris, in the debate with in the debate with with Donald Trump in the in the twenty twenty four election, brought up Charlottesville. And it was fake. It wasn't real. I mean, the whole actually, the whole idea was thinking about this this morning. The whole idea that it was called the unite the right rally, there are there is nobody on the right who went to that, you know, on the real right.
Jim Lakely:Not the fake right, not not the gaslit right, not the the Potemkin right that the left created. Nobody no mainstream conservative was anywhere near that that rally. And so but, again, if you're on the left and you wanna smear everybody on the right, you create a white supremacist rally that's called unite the right, and the media will run with it, and this narrative takes hold. After Charlottesville, Apple gave the Southern Poverty Law Center a million dollar donation. George Clooney kicked in another million dollars.
Jim Lakely:Their revenue went up. I think it was about 50,000,000, which is obviously quite a lot. $50,000,000 in revenue before Charlottesville. It went up to, I think, a 100 and something million after that. And right now, as this indictment was as this indictment has come forward, again, a grand jury handed down this indictment.
Jim Lakely:This is not just some sort of witch hunt by the by the Trump administration. They now have something like $800,000,000 in assets. By the way, I think they have a 150,000,000 on an offshore account in the Cayman Islands. That's not suspicious. That's crazy.
Jim Lakely:So they so this organization fundraised on fake white supremacist movement in this country. I know so many of us on this podcast and are listening right now or watching, I was always just kind of amazed. Like, what's this Christian nationalist stuff? What's this white supremacy stuff? I know nobody who thinks or talks this way.
Jim Lakely:The the entire idea that the that the the biggest danger to The United States is white supremacy was always a lie, and it was a SIOP, and it was set up by the Southern Poverty Law Center and other leftist organizations. And the Democratic Party and especially the Biden administration were all too eager to run with that, to run down this country, to characterize everybody who opposes them as some sort of dangerous white supremacist, and it's the same gaslighting of the American people that led to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, two assassination attempts on Donald Trump, and even in our first segment today, the the the those street street animals, as Jesse Kelly calls them, those thugs out there assaulting conservatives conservative journalists that are out there just trying to document the protests that are going on. And Andy was helpful enough to bring bring up something that I grabbed for the show, and this was the term frequency in popular newest US newspapers of the term white supremacy. The New York Times, the LA Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal. In about 2015, it went off the charts.
Jim Lakely:And so this the the entire thing is a scion. We're we're being lied to constantly by by our media and by, well, especially the previous government. This and the result of this is not just sad and infuriating. It's actually dangerous. This is, know, it's it's all projection all the way down.
Jim Lakely:The danger in this country does not come from right wing, you know, protesters or white supremacy. Open your eyes. All you have to do is look outside. Look at who's who's doing these protests. Look at the Antifa movement, which was just an idea, not really an organization.
Jim Lakely:That that's was the attitude of the Biden administration. It it's it's it's infuriating. I am very proud of myself for not screaming, and I will I will will get away from the microphone for a minute.
Linnea Lueken:Well, I'm gonna temper it just a second just to say that, you know, we have to be careful too about letting the left, like, drive our thoughts about different right wing protest movements and stuff, though. Because I am gonna push back a bit about Charlottesville because while there was that, like, white supremacist group that came in later and did that cringey, like, tiki torch march or whatever, the majority of the people that were there throughout the day were just protesting the removal of a confederate monument.
Jim Lakely:Right.
Linnea Lueken:And I don't think that there's anything particular, like, immediately always white supremacists about opposing, you know, ripping down historical monuments even if they are to, like, the, you know, the the slave owning South. I I I'd I'd have to push back on that because there are legitimate people who attend that. And it's the same kind of thing that they they push with January 6. That was a legitimate protest. There were there was agitation, obviously, from what appeared to be federal agents, actually, at that and probably also SPLC agents, it turns out, at that event that led to things getting out of hand.
Linnea Lueken:But the initial, like, protest itself is not illegitimate, and I don't want Americans on the right to be afraid of protesting. You know, the so for one, moms for liberty is listed, and this is something that Donald Kendal was gonna talk about. We tried to get him on and he wasn't gonna come, but he actually didn't end up having time. So that's alright. But he did send me his notes, some of the things that he wanted to point out.
Linnea Lueken:Moms for Liberty is listed on a hate group on the SPLC hate map. And they like, basically, every single chapter that they have is marked with a pin, which is crazy. And so the the watchdog's year in hate and extremism 2022 report, counted a 100 or 1,225 hate and anti government extremist groups being present in The United States last year, up from 733 in 2021, and several of the new additions were focused on parental rights and education issues. So they were they were pushing and pushing and pushing and broadening the category of what counts as white supremacy like Charlie Kirk pointed out, like Jim's pointed out, with the intent of mixing that and muddying that water. Right?
Linnea Lueken:You have, like, literally the KKK and then moms for liberty, which just is worried about parental rights. So, you know, it's it's it's getting a little bit I don't know. I I don't wanna give them the ability more than we already have to to direct the thought about these groups. Right? So so we do have to be very careful about that.
Linnea Lueken:And, Sam, I'm sorry I cut you off a little bit. What were you gonna say?
ST Karnick:It it was actually along these lines. It's really important to, as you say, to note that this is not a, an attempt to root out, wrong think, from the, from extremists on the edge of reality or something. It's it's not that. It's not an attempt to root out people who are traitors to the American way or something like that. What it is is an attempt to make all dissent from certain positions of government and frankly, make all dissent from the establishment of an authoritarian government, into extremism and and to characterize it as such.
ST Karnick:And what what has been done here is the use of racism and white supremacy as the the stalking horse for a denigration of anyone who disagrees with this sort of gigantic, authoritarian regime that that, the left has been trying and with some significant success to impose in this country for for many years. And and it's interesting because you can go back to the first Bush administration, George H. W. Bush. There were there were a lot of attempts to create the sense that there is a strong, group of white supremacists out there.
ST Karnick:They're they're all over the country, and they they've the whole country is covered with with white supremacists. And it seemed ludicrous to anyone with good sense at the time or anyone reading the history on it. It's obviously ludicrous. It's it's insane. I mean, to to look at what this country has been doing for the past forty years, it certainly isn't white supremacists.
ST Karnick:That's the one thing it isn't. So this was clearly a false flag operation, a gigantic, frankly, false flag operation from the start. The whole white supremacy narrative, the whole America's racist narrative has been based on false flag operations from the beginning. And so what you have here is a situation where, an organ organ this one organization is part of a much bigger group. And you mentioned the GK Chesterton novel, The Man Who Was Thursday.
ST Karnick:Thank you very much for bringing in Chesterton again.
Linnea Lueken:He's so I'm keeping us going here, Sam. We're gonna mention him in every single show.
ST Karnick:The key thing about it is, as you mentioned, everybody involved in the in the the so called conspiracy, it's anarchists in that book. Everyone involved in it is in fact a government agent. And if you look at this, the it's it came true. It came true only on a level that that is just completely mind blowing. Obviously, there are nut jobs out there who who believe terrible things and and do terrible things.
ST Karnick:We we've seen that, of course. But the notion that this nation has been driven by racism and white supremacy is absurd, and it much of the the blame for this has to be lain at the feet of the laid at the feet of the government because they've been doing this for decades. And even even during Republican administrations, it's been very prominent. Our intelligence agencies and our criminal enforcement agencies have been corrupt from the word go. And isn't it interesting that it's this comes out, this indictment occurs only a very short time after our attorney general is replaced.
ST Karnick:What's up with that? I just ask you.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Absolutely. And it is funny as Andy was scrolling the map there highlighting the different dots, and, like, two thirds of the dots he scrolled over were moms for liberty. That's why I was laughing because it's, like, just this regular old, like, parents' rights organization that's absolutely not anywhere near, like, a far right thing. It's just the whole map is moms for liberty.
Linnea Lueken:Sorry. I'm, like, brought to tears by how funny that is. So but Jim, you know, we have the indictment available to read, and it is actually probably one of the more interesting and clearly written indictments that I've seen. Sometimes they can be a little bit cagey. But, actually, you know, one of the remarkable things about this is the, like, use of shell companies to basically launder the money to these supremacist groups.
Linnea Lueken:And to be fair, you know, if SBLC wants to compare themselves to government agencies, this is how the CIA and stuff do this, like, run their spies. Right? They set up shell companies to to pay them. Like, they have fake jobs and stuff at other organizations and that's how they get paid. One of these guys was getting paid like a million dollars over the course of a couple of years just from something like 2022 to 2025.
Linnea Lueken:It's it's kind of crazy how organized this is and how professional this is.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, it's a look. The bottom line, really, the crimes here are that the Southern the indictment states, alleges, that the Southern Poverty Law Center committed fraud against its own donors because they think they're donating to an organization that is fighting white supremacy and racism, and the Southern Poverty Law Center is instead using that money to support and promote white supremacy and racism. I I mean so on one on one level, I think it's hilarious that George Clooney unknowingly is is an unknowing donor to the KKK. And so I hope he can sleep at night.
Jim Lakely:I am not a overt or unknowing donor donor to white supremacist groups, but George Clooney is. And so that that's that's out there for the world. That is right. So where was I? Yeah.
Jim Lakely:So and so they set up these these shell alright. So the Southern Poverty Law Center, we had it in a poll here on the on on the YouTube channel, is a five zero one c three organization. That means in the in tax law, the IRS considers it a a legitimate nonprofit organization, which means that it is not taxed on its revenue, again, which is now almost a billion dollars, and they pay no tax on that to the federal government. But with that comes quite a lot of rules. The Heartland Institute is a five zero one c three organization.
Jim Lakely:We are audited by an independent auditor every year, and we publish that audit on our website as along with our nine ninety forms. There's you know, which is what you a good nonprofit organization should do, and SPLC does that as well. But while they are actually reporting legally what they're doing, they're also illegally, according to the indictment, setting up shell companies through which to pay these white supremacists and leaders of white supremacist organizations because they don't, obviously, they don't want their donors to know that they're doing this. They didn't want anybody to know that they were doing this, so they had to set up, as it says in the indictment, as Kesh Patel pointed out, these are fake companies that have no employees and do no business. That is the kind of stuff that the mob does.
Jim Lakely:That is a criminal that is a serious crime to do that, and it is fraud against against their own donors and and really against the public. As with all of these things, when is somebody going to go to jail? This was fraud on a massive scale, and, you know, god bless, you know, Kash Patel and the new attorney general. I now forget his name because he's brand new in in the in the Trump justice department. But I am so sick and tired of having the criminal activity of of of, you know especially when it concerns our elections or or or things in the public trust, and nobody is arrested.
Jim Lakely:This is an indictment. Where are the arrests? After these are charges, somebody should be in handcuffs and and marched in to be booked for crimes. When is that gonna happen, Cash Patel? When when is anybody going to be arrested at least?
Jim Lakely:We had the FBI breaking down the doors of people who were at the Capitol on January 6 and did nothing more more criminal than walking into the Capitol at the invitation often by the Capitol police, walking around for fifteen minutes, and leaving. They had their they had their doors bashed in at 5AM by by the FBI, hauled off to jail, and in some cases, kept in jail in solitary confinement for months or even years without the adjudication of their case before it could even be adjudicated in a in in a rigged court system, frankly, in Washington DC. That is the way the legal system apparently treats people on the right. If you're on the left and commit one of the greatest scandals, and there seems to be a new one every month, but this is a very scandalous thing, but it's also a very serious criminal thing. People need to start going to jail for this.
Jim Lakely:I I I it's very dissatisfying that this is not this is not happening. For crying out loud, Donald Trump how many indictments were there that they so they could say he was a convicted felon and all that kind of stuff in in 17 different jurisdictions, something like 50 felony charges. You know, he had to get booked at a at a police station. When when is anybody at the SPLC going going to be going to be booked? You know, if if the I'll just finish with this, you know, because the Heartland Institute is a is a think tank.
Jim Lakely:We've been around for forty two years. My signature is on the financial documents for the Heartland Institute that we submit to the IRS and that we publicly have out there. If there was any criminal activity involved in that, I'm going to jail because I put my name on it. There are names on documents from the SPLC, and those people should be, arrested and calling their lawyers right now. When is that going to happen?
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. It it is very frustrating because it never happens. It it's you also wanna make sure because this I mean, this something like this really could, frankly, even though they'll probably get more donations because, you know, you'll have left wingers who are like, yeah. Cool. They were doing espionage with my donations.
Linnea Lueken:I'm fine with that. You know? And they'll be fine with it. So they probably won't lose any donors over this. But this should be the end of the FPLC.
Linnea Lueken:I mean, if if there's any justice at all, they will be absolutely crushed by these indictments. I wanted to bring up one of the other examples here from the indictment that I found particularly interesting. Let's see. Oh, there's a there's a whole story. It's crazy.
Linnea Lueken:Section b under the SPLC's paid informants network. They list one of these guys. This is, yeah, down there to b. Yep. Right there.
Linnea Lueken:So there's this one that's that's f nine is what they have given him as his, like, little code name, was affiliated with the neo Nazi organization National Alliance and served as a f for the SPLC for more than twenty years. So this guy worked for them for twenty years. Between 2014 and 2023, they paid him more than a million dollars. In 2014, he entered the headquarters of an extremist group and stole 25 boxes of documents from them, and then he coordinated payment for the copying of those materials with a high level SPLC employee who had knowledge that the documents have been stolen. Those stolen materials were returned to the extremist group in a second illegal entry.
Linnea Lueken:And then the high level SPLC employee utilized the documents in part as the basis for a story published on the SPLC's hate watch website authored by the employee. And another one of them was blamed for the theft and was and paid was paid $6,000 for taking the the heat, basically, for that situation. That is a wild story to to read in an indictment. There are multiple crimes in just this one, and that and the SBLC was aware of all of it and paying for it. So I I really I think it would be really difficult.
Linnea Lueken:I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know for sure. It seems to me like it's going to be very difficult for them to slip out of this one.
ST Karnick:One thing that will be interesting to see is there is the potential for civil rights violations to be prosecuted against the individuals in this organization who are running it. Civil rights violations are very serious. When when those are brought against you when those charges are brought against you, they they hit hard. So that's one way that that this could play out. And another element of that, of course, is that there could be civil lawsuits in regard to such violations, and, I would suggest that that's very likely to happen.
ST Karnick:The I you know, as I think more and more about it, I think the prospects for the, survival of the SPLC are are very dim. I'm not at all dissatisfied to say that.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. ADL next. The the anti definition Defamation League and the SPLC together have been two of the biggest forces for basically, like, protecting leftist extremism while trying to classify all right wing movements and and protests and stuff as extreme. So I want to lighten the mood a bit here. We did there have been a lot of memes about this because when you take it to its, like, comedic direction, this is a funny situation in a dark way.
Linnea Lueken:I laugh a lot as I'm reading this, like, indictment and stuff just in disbelief. And so we have a bunch of memes for you guys here today to end the show. This is from Flapper on X and his it's it's from what show is this from?
Jim Lakely:I've Mad Men. The Mad Men.
Linnea Lueken:Oh, it's from Mad Men. That's right. Has Southern Poverty Law Center. So for our audio listeners, I'm sorry to everybody else that I have to read these out, but we do have audio only listeners. The the caption says, we pay people to be racist so that we can fight racism.
Linnea Lueken:And we have we have a GIF from, I believe, Django Unchained where the, like, proto KKK guy is wearing his hood and I he says, I can't see effing shit out of this thing. And the caption is, when you got the please remember to wear a mask notice for your SPLC meeting and you didn't realize they meant the n ninety fives. And then Robert Sterling posted a Dave Ramsey show meme where he goes, so your mission at the SPLC is fighting racism. Yes, Dave. And you've raised millions of dollars for this?
Linnea Lueken:That's right. And you spent that money on we gave it to the KKK, Dave. And another white supremacy is our biggest problem. Be honest. Racism is everywhere.
Linnea Lueken:It must be stopped. Stopped how? We made it all up to get votes. Thank you. Another good one.
Linnea Lueken:And this is a a picture of Sydney Sweeney making very disgusting Sabrina Carpenter.
Jim Lakely:How do I execute you on that?
Linnea Lueken:Oh, I don't know. They're all the same. I'm I'm sorry, Sydney Sweeney and Sabrina Carpenter. They look the same to me. I actually we were talking before the show that I I I actually had no idea that Sabrina Carpenter was a singer, which is which just shows that how out of touch I am.
Linnea Lueken:I thought that she just did, like, makeup advertisements on YouTube that annoyed me during my videos I was trying to watch. But so drunk republican captions this, my woke aunt learning her SPLC donations for funding the KKK. Mostly peaceful memes. Finding out the SPLC has been paying people to promote white supremacy and it's a guy saying, you guys are getting paid. And I think that's from Where the Millers.
Linnea Lueken:Very funny movie. Jarvis, who is a very funny account. When you're at a clan rally and you see another SPLC intern and they're looking at each other from across the room. Yeah. I'm sure that actually happens too.
Linnea Lueken:It's it's pretty funny. Sorry. It's a little bit cringe to have to read out the memes, but we do have audio only listeners. So that's why I'm trying to keep this show going for you guys as well so that we're not all just quietly giggling to ourselves for the audio. But thank you guys so much for being with us pretty much all the time that we have today.
Linnea Lueken:There are a lot of crazy situations going on in this world right now, and it and it gets more and more cartoonish every day, it seems. So thank you everyone for your attention to these matters. We are live every week, Thursdays at noon central on Rumble, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, except for the weeks we are not. Jim, what do you have for the audience today?
Jim Lakely:We have the Climate Realism Show on the same channel at Friday at 1PM eastern time. Mark Marano from CPAC is gonna be our guest. It's gonna be a really fun show. Hope to see you there.
Linnea Lueken:Sam?
ST Karnick:Please visit the Heartland Institute website at heartland.org and my Substack at s t karnick dot substack dot com.
Linnea Lueken:For our audio listeners, please write us well on whatever service you're using. Look what I did for you today. Please leave a review as well. Thank you so much to all of our usual panelists and also, of course, to our viewers. We will see you again next week.
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