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And that's what climate change is about. It is literally not figuratively a clear and present danger.

We are in the beginning of a mass extinction.

The ability of c 02 to do the heavy work of creating a climate catastrophe is almost nil at this point.

The price of oil has been artificially elevated to the point of insanity.

That's not how you power a modern industrial system.

The ultimate goal of this renewable energy, you know, plan is to reach the exact same point that we're at now.

You know who's trying that? Germany. 7 straight days of no wind for Germany. Their factories are shutting down.

They really do act like weather didn't happen prior to, like, 1910. Today is Friday.

That's right, Greta, you pint sized antagonist. It is Friday, and this is our own personal Friday protest. Now under a new name, the Climate Reality Show or Climate Realism Show episode 103, Climate the movie. Yes. There was a big movie released this week, and we're gonna talk about that.

It's, for bet lack of a better word, it's an epic. So I'm your host, Anthony Watts, senior fellow for environment and climate at the Heartland Institute. Joining me today, we have our regular panelist, doctor h Sterling Burnett of the director of the Robinson Center, Linnea Lukin, Robinson Center research fellow, and special guest, Tom Nelson, longtime blogger, longtime climate skeptic, Twitter, Twit extraordinaire, and producer of the climate movie. Welcome, guys.

Thank you very much, Anthony.

Good to

be back, Anthony.

Oh, yeah. So, anyway, we're gonna get to the main topic, which is the climate climate the movie in just a few minutes. But first, we're gonna do our usual thing where we talk about crazy climate news of the week. Some of the nuttiest eye rolling, eye watering, you've got to be freaking kidding me stuff that you can find on the Internet, and we got a boatload of it this week. First of all, this one's a real winner.

I mean, is there nothing that climate change can't do? Chocolate Easter eggs have risen in price by more than 50% of the United Kingdom, and scientists, the top scientists say that climate change is to blame. I mean, really?

Seriously? It's interesting that

Hold on. Climate psychosis is what this is. El Nino was seen as responsible for West Africa's, ongoing drought where there a lot of the the chocolate is ray chocolate beans are grown. But new research by the world's top climate scientist or, you know, top men say no. Climate change is to blame and leading to higher chocolate Easter egg prices.

I haven't checked Easter egg prices here in the US yet, but I suspect they're also higher because I everything is here with inflation. But I have checked the UN's data on cocoa beans, and they show record setting cocoa production. So that can't be the problem, the the reason for the cost of Easter eggs rise. It's not a lack of cocoa. It's not a lack of chocolate production, unless cocoa is going to something else.

It it's it's other things.

Yeah. It's just not I mean, cocoa bean production has consistently and significantly increased over the short term and the long term. You can see this in the data. But, you know, we've got Biden driven inflation in the United States and similar policies going on in Europe and the UK, and these are responsible for the price increases, not climate change. Yeah.

Well, I don't have a whole lot to add to that. We've covered the claims about cocoa being impacted by climate change several times. Cocoa, of course, is one of those crops that tends to grow best in the tropics where it's already pretty hot. So, not too worried about it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's you know, that's the whole maxim that everyone should say about climate change alarmism. I'm not too worried about it because most of it like this is complete hype with no basis in reality. Mhmm.

I mean, good goodness. Anyway alright. So it's not just this, you know, the the Easter eggs are going up in price caused by the climate change. We've got something even crazier. Yes.

Danger. Danger, Will Robinson. AP coverage of climate red alert is nothing more than a red herring. I can tell you this for sure. The the the UN World Meteorological Organization decided we're going to issue a red alert on climate change.

Whoop whoop whoop whoop. And, you know, it's just nuts, and here's why. If we go to our rebuttal on it that was published this week in Climate Realism, you'll find that the data doesn't support it. They're talking about the fact that 2023 was the hottest ever, and El Nino was the responsible party. So, Jim, if we could switch to the rebuttal, link that we have there, that show the climate realism.

There we go. Thank you very much. And scroll down just a little bit. Got an interesting graph I wanna show you. It's, it's a graph showing the El Nino, La Nina conditions right there.

Now this is from the same day that the WMO issued their red alert. Now here's the interesting part. The area in the Pacific known as 3.4 Nino 3.4 is the accepted metric area for El Nino measurement, and NOAA tracks this on a daily basis. It had already started down starting in November, and it continues to go down. And the projection far into the future for next year in 2024 says it's going to be even further down, 4.2 degrees centigrade lower than the peak.

And yet the people over at the WMO are claiming we have a red alert because 2024 is gonna be another record hot year. I don't see it happening. What do you guys think?

I don't have much to say. The facts speak for themselves. The WMO went off the reservation once again, to hype climate fears over climate facts.

Yeah. I don't know. It just strikes me as another one of those things kind of like the doomsday clock where it's just a bunch of random nerds moving the hand a little bit and being like, oh, watch out. This time, we're really serious about it.

Exactly. We really need

Once again, not too worried.

Yeah. It just, you know, anytime there's an opportunity for the media to basically take some simple thing and blow it up. It's not gonna do it.

Tom, you know, Tom knows a little bit about this. Maybe he'd like to weigh in.

Say again, about, me about media blowing things up? Yeah. I know a lot about that. I've been, looking at that online for, since 2,006. So, yeah, they always, of course, are doing that on everything, and, they they never fail to do that.

Right. Alright. So let's go on to our next crazy climate news of the week. Hertz. I I don't normally like running CNN post, but their headline was great.

Hertz CEO is out following electric car horror show. Yes, indeedy. They are getting rid of some 20,000 of their fleet of electric Teslas that nobody wants to drive. Why? Because what happens is they take them out of the Hertz dealership off on a trip, and they get stranded because the average person doesn't understand range anxiety.

They don't understand how to find charging stations and so forth and so on. And so it's been an unmitigated disaster. And so the CEO who said, this is what we need to do, is out.

No. He resigned, and I don't think think of this as a climate crazy. I think of this as a climate comforting story.

Alright.

It it comforts my soul to know that there are consequences when you do stupid, stupid things, like a rental car company buying a lot of electric vehicles and thinking people will do well with them. I know how I've driven rental cars. I drive a lot of miles when I have a rental car because because I'm on trip and, I'd spend most of my time charging if all I did was driving like a vehicle. But the other problem that Hertz faced, and this is almost or as more important than their, you know, driver reluctance hurts and all these rental car companies make a lot of money when they resell their rental cars after just 2 or 3 years. Nobody wants to buy a used EV Yeah.

Because the battery packs are so expensive to replace. And if you're using them for Hertz and they've already put a lot of miles on them, you can expect those battery packs to go out real soon.

Yep. In fact, there's a story, in our one of our EV graphics links, the second one, that shows that, there's a story about the fact that EVs simply are not selling. There there's not the used EVs are not selling.

No. I I the only one the only reason I'd wanna use EV is to have it in my, you know, parking for my house, and people will think, oh, he's cool. He he really cares. You know, I do my own little virtue signaling. Every so often, I take, if I had an EV, I'd have, like, a Rivian truck, and so they look cool.

I I wouldn't go, you know, past the grocery store with it. But

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the environmental cost that are hidden inside of EVs, people generally don't know about this. You know? And, of course, the left, they never talk about it because EVs are the salvation of the planet from carbon dioxide.

But the bottom line is is that there's a huge amount of a carbon footprint in the manufacturer of these things. Huge amounts that's hidden. And so the the net result is that these things aren't saving much carbon dioxide, if any, at all, because of all the the energy that went into production, all the mining that went into production, the manufacturing, all of this stuff that used up energy and resources and produced COT in the process, these things are not net 0. That's the basic way to look at them.

Right. Well, of course not. I mean, I'm very few things actually are net zero, especially when it comes to green technology. I can't think of any of it, especially when it's dealing with or when it depends on so many advanced materials. You know?

Because these things aren't produced, you know, out of nowhere. It takes a lot of effort to to make a special you know, all the battery components, all the electronic components. The more computers you put in a car, the more complex it is, The more things break, and you have to repair them and they go wrong. So I don't know. I it's it's very suspicious that these things get pushed so hard when, one, they're not popular outside of a certain demographic of people who like to, you know, either virtue signal about it or they're just trying it out because they've heard that it's really good, and they wanna give it a chance and they do, and then they don't buy another one usually, according to the statistics that we've been able to dig up on it.

So, yeah, it's, it's very odd that they push it so hard.

And, you know, I wasn't here last week. Right? I was on vacation. And I drove, it turns out, a little over 3000 miles on my trip. I drove straight through to Tennessee.

I made it in 11 hours and, 45 minutes where I was going. That trip the trip would have taken me 2 to 3 days, in electric vehicle because I would have had stuck charge. Right. Likely overnight. So my entire vacation would have been taken up with the travel.

When I was in Tennessee, I I put hundreds of miles on the car almost every day, going to state parks, caves, things like that that I like to do, that my wife and I like to do. I I saw 1 Buc ee's in the entire state of Tennessee. It was right outside of Crossville, Tennessee. The largest thing I've ever seen in my life, the largest gas station I've ever seen in my life. It had, when I put gas in, it was I was on pump 257.

That tells you how many gas pumps it had. It also had a long row of electric vehicle chargers, and there was one lonely, lonely person over there in that row of electric vehicle chargers charging his his Tesla, while literally hundreds of people were were filling their cars up, and he was still there when I when I left. He was there when I got there. He was there when I left, and, it it it it's it's amazing.

Yeah. It is. You know? And I think the solution to this problem is to make charging stations vacation destinations. You know?

They put a pool in there, you know, in a hotel and so forth, and you make the you make the charger location, a destination where you can stay at for a whole day or so while the vehicle waits online and then gets charged.

To be fair, that Buc ee's could have been it was like a an indoor shopping mall when I went in. Restaurants and foods

and clothes.

That guy could have camped out. He he they had camping gear, so he probably could have camped out there.

Yep. Yep. Indeed. Indeed. Alright.

So the next crazy climate thing is tell us. This is from the New York Times. How has climate crisis affected your relationship? Well, actually, that's the second one, but we can talk about that. Can but it's equally absurd.

Can climate cafes ease the anxiety of the planetary crisis? Yes. Let's go down to the local coffee shop and whine about climate change over a cup of coffee. Oh, the horror. You know?

It would it it's like a scene from Friends, you know, where they're just whining up and bitching about everything from the coffee shop.

Well, I have I have two things about this. 1st, I have absolutely no doubt that the way that climate is promoted in the media has actually, like, mentally damaged people who are easily mentally damaged by scary stories in the news. So I'm not skeptical at all that this is something that some people feel like they need. I also am confused as to why why there's there's a need for, like, a structured organization to do this when they get to have these little, like, fear sessions whenever they feel like it on the news and on social media and everywhere else all the time anyway. But I guess it's just another way to make some money off of the climate thing.

So I

I thought we had climate cafes. Weren't they called the rain aren't they called rainforest?

Rainforest Cafe.

I mean, I would think I would think that if you're really worried about climate anxiety, you wouldn't have a climate cafe. What you have is sort of a, Bobby McFerrin, don't worry, be happy cafe. And, you come in and, all you know, it's all bright and sunny, and you have, people singing be happy in the background on video, and and, you you you can't leave the cafe not feeling better regardless of what's going on outside the world. Yeah. Right.

It's, yeah, the the section that has been highlighted here is, man, this whole article is just really a bummer. It's really sad. Oh, man.

What I don't understand is they're pushing a Climate Cafe, you know, a coffee shop, but at the same time, they're telling us coffee's gonna disappear due to climate change. So

Yeah. Right? Now now that if that were a fact, I mean, I wrote about that this week. If that were a fact, that would induce anxiety in me.

Yeah. Right. And a bunch of other people. Alright. I'll find our final one, also from The New York Times, where they're talking about how the climate crisis had affected relationships.

I don't know. You know? Are people that lame? Seriously? Of course, just oh, I'm sorry.

This is from The Guardian, not The New York Times. My mistake.

Mhmm.

But the, really, are you that lame? Is are you so worried about climate change that it affects your ability to have a happy relationship with your wife, your girlfriend, whatever, your friends? I mean, what the hell?

Think about this generation of snowflakes. Their relationships are affected by whether they use the right pronouns.

Yeah. That's true.

You know, I mean, these are people that sit around going, oh, well, did I should I split the the the bill or not? Does this count as a date? Oh, is this a he or she or they or them? You know, they've got anxiety about everything, and it's induced by themselves, constantly worrying about the most idiotic things, climate change being among those idiotic things to worry about.

Yes. And for the rational people of the world, that always comes in dead last in all the polls. Yeah. Always does.

Well, you know, there it it it's it's no coincidence that when they measure, happiness and feelings of well-being in the US, Generally, Republicans who are more skeptical are happier than Democrats who are more woke. They worry about every little thing and it distresses them, whereas Republicans have families and children and they take pride and joy in that and don't worry about every little, just, stupid thing.

Yeah. Yeah. So, it it's just sad that so many people let this let the media twist them into angst and worry to the point where it's affecting their relationships, affecting their mental health. I mean, the media is complicit at causing people to be afraid, causing children to be afraid. You know, it it's it's almost child abuse, making a child think that he he or she has no future because of climate change.

It's just really

Do you guys think

out there.

Do you guys think that if our if our audience submitted, Ernest's responses to this form that The Guardian would publish them?

I'm waiting.

Nice, Jim. So, yeah, if you would, you know, maybe, to the audience, if you want to fill out this thing, the Guardian is asking for contributions. What? How climate change has affected your relationship. You can fill it out.

Please be nice. No curse words, please. But, please give them your earnest response to how this has impacted your relationship. And I'm sure that they will absolutely definitely publish it.

Yeah. It's it's certainly made my late spring, early early I mean, early spring, late fall vacations better with my wife. We we weren't snowed out of anything. The roads weren't clogged. We didn't wreck.

So, it's boosted me.

Jim, you should upload a picture of Al Gore and Chipper right there.

Well, theirs did fall apart, but I have a feeling it wasn't climate change.

Yeah. Because I I truly, their relationship was affected by climate change because Al went nuts. Alright. Enough of that. Let's go to some cartoons.

Finally, some wind power that I really, really like. I mean, this is brilliant, whoever came up with this one. Look at that. It's just like the World War 2 airplanes. It's just me riding the Japanese.

Is that awesome or what?

Oh. Right.

Eagle I wonder if those

I call the birds and eagles.

I was gonna say, are they eagles or California condors on there?

Yeah. It looks like eagles. Nice.

Yeah. It's awesome. The flying tiger. Yeah. Anyway, the next one is really kinda sad, but it's true.

It's the new world order is headed us at us like a freight train, but most of society is busy taking Barbie type selfies out there. They're not paying attention to what's happening. We are. They are not.

I feel told out by this one.

Anyhow, I can't even stand to take selfies of myself. Alright. So let's talk about our main topic, Climate the movie. Now this has been in the works for quite some time, and it was just released this week. This movie is is free to view.

It is, a fantastic, compendium of all the different topics associated with climate alarmism and the rebuttals built back in. You would have to be completely brainwashed and hopeful and beyond hope of recovery if you watch this and you couldn't see what was really going on. So Tom Nelson is one of the producers of this particular movie, and he's with us today. What I wanna do first is run a little bit of the the show of the movie. And then, Tom, you can jump in and start telling us about it and answer your questions and so forth and so on.

So let's roll and see what we've got.

People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing.

These are climate protesters, by the way.

A mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?

This is the story of how an eccentric environmental scare grew into a powerful global industry.

It's a wonderful business opportunity. Okay? You want climate? We'll give you climate.

There's a huge amount of money involved. This is a huge big money scam.

They're not just now 1,000,000,000, but there are 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars as thing.

It's a story of self interest and big government funding.

People like me, our careers depend on funding of climate research. This is what I've been doing just about my whole career. This is what the other climate researchers are doing with their whole career. They don't want this to end.

If c 02 isn't having the huge negative impacts that we claimed it was having originally, how are we going to stay in business?

A lot of people's livelihoods depend on it. They're not gonna give that

up. This is a story of the corruption of science.

There's no such thing as a climate emergency happening on this planet now. It's there's no no evidence of 1.

The climate alarm is nonsense, you know. It's it's a hoax. I've never liked hoax. I I think scam is a better word, but I'm willing to live with hoax.

It's a story about the bullying and intimidation of anyone who dares to challenge the climate

alarm. To speak up against or about climate change in any sort of skeptical way was essentially career suicide.

Activists are even calling for any skepticism to be criminalized.

It's the story of an assault on individual freedom.

It's a wonderful way to, increase government power. If there's an existential threat out there worldwide, well, you need a powerful worldwide government, you know, to cope with it. We see all these kind of, authoritarian measures being adopted in the name of saving the planet. You've suddenly got the population under control all over the world.

Yep. Climate the movie, the cold truth. I wanna mention that if you're searching for the topic on YouTube, just put in Climb at the movie. The cold truth is not in the YouTube idol, and so it doesn't show up if you search for that whole phrase. So, Tom, what got all of this started?

What was the impetus behind this? Where was the idea put together and when?

Yeah. It was interesting for me because I started a podcast in 2022, and I think my guest number 20 was Martin Durkin. I I just had him on because I was a huge fan of the great global warming swindle that he did back in 2007. I wanted to hear about that. Just out of the blue, partway through that podcast, he volunteered that he would really like to remake it because he didn't have a lot a lot of time to make that one.

He thought he could do a better job if he he could do it again. So that just kinda kicked it off right there. And, a few months later, he actually started making the movie. It took him almost exactly 1 year, from when he started until now till the movie is out, and I think he just did a fantastic job. I think he was exactly the right person to make this movie at the right time.

So I'm really happy with how this came out, and it's already getting some really good viewership online everywhere right now.

Yeah. And, you know, having taken down Al Gore and his ridiculous claims in claims in 2007, he was already primed for this. So it was yeah. Like you say, he was the perfect person to do it. A full disclosure.

I was supposed to be on this movie, and then something happened, and and I didn't get any more communications. Well, it turned out all the emails from mister Durkin were going into my spam folder, and so I missed that opportunity. Otherwise, I would have been in the movie. But, you know, the movie what have been some of the initial reactions, good and bad, to the movie?

It's interesting. I I had a lot of reactions because, actually, I did a tour as we did premieres around the world or in 3 different spots. It premiered in London, and then it went to the Netherlands and then back in the Washington DC area. And just the feedback, of course, the people that were attending were not, alarmists, but very, very positive. A lot of people said that, this is the way this is the type of movie that you can show to people who haven't really been into it.

They believe in it casually, but they've never looked at the evidence at all. I think it's a perfect movie for people like that. If they can spend 80 minutes and not watch, look at the graphs, etcetera, they can find out that everything they're worried about, they should not be worried about at all. And then one other thing we're gonna do, I'm working on that right now, is to break it up into pieces, 10, 22nd pieces of a different, key quotes from different people. There's great quotes in there all the way through from, like, Nobel Prize winner John Clauser is in there talking, in a very, openly about how this is just a crock.

There's there's nothing to the alarmism at all. So, yeah, the feedback has been really good, all the way around. I'm interested to see how much we're gonna get attacked because I think we are going to get attacked, by the the media, but, they haven't had time yet. But those attacks must be coming pretty soon, I would think.

Yeah. Have you had any personal attacks on Twitter or email or anything about this movie?

You know, not more than usual, maybe. I guess just enormous amounts of tax. Yeah. Just tons and tons of them, but, nothing unusual. Kind of the same.

Okay. So I'm gonna leave, questions open to our panelists and see if Sterling or Laniyah have anything to talk about with Tom.

Well, I mean, obviously, the the production value and everything was fantastic. I thought it was really entertaining. It was it felt really short for how long it was. It's just fun to watch all the way through. So big kudos for making such a dynamic and interesting, documentary to watch, you know, because that's not always easy to do.

Yeah. I think Martin Durkin is just incredibly good at that because he's done so many of them. I think he's done 100 documentaries. He's been in the business a long time, and he's just learned a lot this time has gone on. And, yeah, I think he does a great job.

You could tell you could put up the same graphs and tell the same story in a way more, boring manner. So he uses all these different camera angles, and he use, all sorts of archival footage of the Romans racing around. And, I think Charlie Chaplin is in there, and he just, got a good sense of humor. I think he's really the the right guy to do it because he understands what's happening with the with the whole climate scam, and he knows how to make a a good film about it. So, I really give him a lot of credit for doing a good job here.

That stock footage that's inserted in appropriate places is just really good comic relief. It really is.

Hey, Scott. And, of course go ahead.

When I saw the film, I just at the end, I thought the the the proper title for this film is climate crisis colon case closed. I don't know how anyone could view this film with an open mind, not not with coming in with firmly set preconceptions, and say, you know what? I'm still worried about climate change. We've gotta we've gotta have big government to solve this problem.

Yeah. I think it's a great point. If they have an open mind, it's going to really shift people. But, of course, Michael Mann or whatever, people like that who are all in their whole careers based on this, they're not gonna change no matter what. But I think for a good percentage of the people, this will make a difference, but we'll find out.

Right. It's just gonna reach the the people in the middle ground that aren't sure. You know, people like ourselves, we understand what's going on, and we understand that climate is not a crisis. We understand that a little bit of temperature rise over the past 100 years is manageable and adaptable. We get all of that.

On the other side of the equation, the the the the manites are like, oh my god. We gotta do something, and the world's burning. You know? And they're just total full tilt nuts over there, thinking that there's danger out there. And then there's the people in the middle looking at both sides trying to go, you know, is it really that bad or is it not that bad at all?

It's worse than that for the manite.

Those people.

It's worse than that for the manites. They don't just say, oh my god. The world is ending. We gotta do something. They say, oh my god.

The world is ending. And because it's ending, it's an emergency, and we've gotta suspend freedoms. And we must shut down anyone who disputes what we're saying, and that comes out very well in the film.

Yeah. Yeah. It really is about, it's really a political tool more than anything.

One thing I enjoyed in going to all of these premieres is that I talked to a number of people who went with, like, a significant other. It was like a a spouse or something, and they were not into the debate at all. And I talked to them, and they were saying, you know, I never never really listened to, listened to the arguments before, and it made a difference for me. Now I can understand why, my spouse is so, fighting back at this so hard. So that made me real happy to hear stuff like that.

Well, we have some we have some questions from the audience for you. First up is from Jacob. He says, was there a reason not to include a few minutes of the infamous data tampering or the homogenization scandal?

That's a great question. We're getting all sorts of questions like that. And the the major answer is there's only 80 minutes, and it's you'd like to cover everything. Somebody wanted the all sorts of coverage on Milankovich cycles. 1 guy wanted 80 minutes just on data tampering, but you got 80 minutes.

And you can't you can't be 800 minutes. So, yeah, we had to leave out enormous amounts of stuff. And, yeah, I think he'd, Martin, he gets the credit for figuring out what to put in there. I think he did a good job of, putting in a good 80 minutes and

Besides that, homogenization is a tough topic for the general public to understand. They don't get that, and they don't they think, oh, well, we just measured the temperature of the earth, and it's getting warmer at that temple. They have a clue after the complexity of all the stuff that goes on behind the scenes with creating that data, measuring the data, and the problems with measuring the data that I have outlined for years by the fact that, you know, over 90% of the stations in the United States used to measure climate change at corrupted locations. And, you know, it people just don't get that. It's too complex.

A lot of

horror movie. Anthony, I hope you like the part about the urban heat island. I think that was a very good part, showing, like, a map of Paris and how much warmer it is in the center of Paris versus the outskirts of Paris. I think that's something that ordinary people can easily grasp. And I think that's Yeah.

It was well done. I liked it. Mhmm.

The whole section. You had different people talking about it, coming at it from different perspectives. I'm sorry. It

No. You're good. I was just gonna say we have another question from Jim, which is what kind of reception has the movie received in its premieres, which have been held in the US and Europe?

Yeah. The receptions were, great. Super heartwarming for me as being involved in it over, and we had a full house of 300 people in London. And, yeah. Each time, we would have the movie premiere, and then we would have a couple hours to talk to people at least afterwards.

Reception was absolutely thumbs up. It made me very happy. Then we went on to the Netherlands, and they had 571 people there. Just a a big theater, just full of people. And, then we had a big q and a after that one, and all sorts of really good questions came in.

But, again, it was heartwarming for me. And then the DC one, same thing. We had a a smaller group of people, but, over and over, people said this is the right movie, and, this is what we needed at this time. A lot of people keep saying this is the right time because so many people are waking up for for other reasons. And I think that's a big factor that a lot of people were saying 5 years ago, I kinda believed everything the media said.

And then now with the medical yeah. All these things, they've been for sure, they've been lying to us. And the whole question is, what else are they lying to us about? And, clearly, as people look into this, they find out they're lying to us here too.

Is, You know? Now I can say with with impunity that Michael Mann is the Anthony Fosse of climate change.

You know, you you mentioned the the turnout. I know we had, John Clauser, the Nobel Prize winning physicist at the CTO now. The joys of live podcasting. Do you find that your audience are all people you know, are we preaching to the choir with the audience that you had show up, or did you have some people come in? Do do you think that that sort of were just people that want to learn more?

You know, I would say that most of the people that would take the time to go to the premiere were people that already knew that, that's a scam. I would say like I was saying, there were some spouses and stuff. But, I think where it's really gonna make a difference is online now that already I'm seeing all sorts of people saying that, they're showing it to their kids, etcetera. And all sorts of people, in an online world, it's a lot easier to just quickly click on it instead of actually physically going to some premiere someplace. So Yeah.

Yeah. It

So, Tom, I have a question for you. That that, treadmill behind you, is that where you elevate your c o two footprint?

That is that is where I do that. Yeah. It's been sitting back there for a long time. I think I got 12,000 miles on it so far.

Well, I have another one from the audience here. So what can the people who will be attacking you guys over this, what can they actually say really when confronted with the evidence here?

Yeah. It's all the same thing that we've all heard every single time. They're not going to really go after the evidence. It's all about, oh, you're funded by big oil and maybe you hate your kids. The only reason you don't believe is because you're gonna be dead pretty soon, and you're not gonna see the climate crisis, which is kinda weird because we're supposed to be experiencing the climate crisis right now.

But then, Yeah. It's all the same old stuff. There's been a lot of, trolls on Twitter making those type of arguments, but I haven't seen, anybody take on the evidence because you can't. I mean, it's a slam dunk. If you actually look at the evidence, there's no way that you can look at all that evidence and say, c o two is causing bad weather.

There's earth is too hot. All of those things, of course, are just, totally ridiculous. I can't believe that this whole thing has lasted as long as it has. Richard Linden told me that himself. He thought that this would have died off a long time ago.

It's completely crazy it lasted so long.

The reason is that just it's just like Watergate. You know? Follow the money. The money has been driving this, you know, research, and whole research empires have been built up, you know, chasing this climate change crisis. And, you know, if the money dried up, the problem would dry up.

The well, the problem's not there, but my point is is that the the

As an issue.

Vote is perpetuated by the money.

Yeah. As an issue, it would go away if the money dried up. You know, I think the the film explored that very well. My suspicion is I haven't gone back and looked at climate funding data internationally or nationally. My suspicion is we spent more on climate research in the last 10 years, maybe 15 years, and then we spent cumulatively on climate research throughout history.

And, you know, way back in 50 no, in 60 60, I think, 59 or 60 when Eisenhower did his, farewell address, and he warned of the military industrial complex. He also warned of the science industrial complex, of the science government complex that that once science is funding big stuff, big stuff's gonna go where climate where, where government wants it to go, which is gonna be crisis, which is gonna be bigger government, and that's what's happened. And, you explore that very well in the film, I think.

Yeah. I I do see this thing, as Martin says too that this is kind of a war. It is a war on the working class. It's people who are, at the top. They want power and money, and the people who are paying for all this stuff and getting the short end of everything are the working people.

So I'm I'm happy that the working people are protesting in various countries around the world and pushing back against this thing. I think that's that's gonna snowball, and I actually do see the whole thing crumbling pretty soon. And I talked to Mark Marrano just recently on his podcast. He thinks this is gonna last 10 more years maybe. I do not think it's going to, but we'll find out.

Do you, you know, you mentioned some of the things that they're raising against it, and it's never about the data. One of the things you really took on quite well, I think, in the film was the idea of consensus. So the consensus, and it shows how the consensus has been built by suppressing other people's voices, getting them out of the careers, things like that. Have have people tried to raise consensus arguments against you? Or that did they say, well, we're not gonna touch that because he addresses it pretty well.

No.

No. I mean, the people who are all in con on consensus, they don't care about any argument. So, yeah, that is still being raised. But, for normal people, again, with open minds, if they listen to Ross McKittrick talk about this, about how consensus is, manufactured, that if they throw out everybody who disagrees, then everybody who is left agrees, and so we must be right. He has a great job of explaining that.

So, yeah, it's all about reaching people like Anthony said in the middle, and I I think this will do that, I believe.

So here's another question. How's life as a movie star?

It's really similar to how it was 3 weeks ago. I would say it's exactly the same so far. Yeah.

Yeah. Awesome. Okay.

I wanna I wanna ask a very obvious question before anyone else does. How much big oil money was used to produce this?

$0.0. Absolutely nothing. And just for me personally, my entire time of everything I've been doing for 17 years, I have not made 1¢ from anybody. So it's, Yeah.

Ray raise your hand, everybody, if you've gotten money from big oil.

Well,

I keep hoping.

Yeah. Okay. Here's another one. Is there a list of data sources we can view?

We have not put that together yet. A lot of people are asking for that, and, we there might be a separate website. I don't wanna make a climate movie.net, as, these sites to go to. I I don't have time to maintain that, but somehow, I I think it's gonna happen. But we are gonna have to crowdsource some of this for sure.

So if whoever wants to do some of that, then we can point you towards, your website. But we do need a lot of help from people to get this done because it's basically, it's either me or Martin that has to do it. Martin's not gonna do it, so then it's just me kind of. So we need some help for that.

In the meantime, if you're looking for facts about these topics, some of them that have been discussed in this movie, you can go to climate at a glance dotcom. We have a complete repertoire of these things, many of which were covered in the movie. So climate at a glance dotcom can help explain a lot of this.

Boy, that was clean, Anthony. That was good. Okay. So

And we have a new app, And we have a

new finally, Lance app. We have an app too. Does the movie address Greta's claim that we're at the beginning of a mass extinction?

It doesn't talk about it doesn't talk about extinction at all just because if you look at the data, I mean, the weather is not getting any worse. Warmer is better. There's absolutely nothing that indicates anywhere that c 02 is causing any extinctions. That's just completely crazy. That's way off the rails.

And, yeah, there's

no I mean, there is no mass extinction. I mean, there's no news stories about, you know, the elephants haven't disappeared. The giraffes haven't disappeared. You know, the condors haven't disappeared, and they're they're you know, they were close to extinction at one point, but they were brought back by the actions of humanity. Right?

So where's the extinctions? There are none.

I think most of the extinction that they talk about is in kind of, like, not not like macro land animals, but, like, tiny little things like bugs and stuff.

The thing is the thing is with the extinction claims, to the extent that I feel so bad that you got this morning. To the extent that extinctions have increased, it's it's it is due to human actions, but it's due to land use changes. You change habitats. However, we don't know within 2 or 3 orders of magnitude how many species exist, And we don't know within 2 or 3 orders of magnitude how many species are or have gone extinct in the past. We we we basically make up numbers based on models, and we know how reliable these kinds of model island biogeography models is what they normally work with, and they don't work very well on on islands.

So, one thing I

wanna that RCP 8.5 is America's top model.

Okay. One thing I wanted to mention about extinction. Actually, we did mention it in a sense of that maybe at a 180 PPM, we're starting to get to the point where in some places, plants, especially at high elevations, they start to, starve. And, so we're way closer, of course, to having too little c o two than having too much because, we had thousands of PPM c o two. Everything was fine.

But if we were to cut CO 2 even in half from here, that would be, that would be tough on life. And, so, Patrick Moore makes it he, articulates that very well in this movie.

Well, indeed. You know, the greening of the earth due to CO 2 is expanding, and that can't be anything but good for species.

So we have

question.

Yep. We have this one. Can I ask if the film will be coming out on DVD? This film will go perfectly with my copy of The Great Global Warming Swindle.

Okay. As far as I know, I'm sorry to say it's not. Just, as we asked around, it seemed like DVD sales have really gone down even in the last year or 2. So, we decided not to do that. But if I

But Maybe I'll change your The advantage of having a DVD is that it doesn't disappear. I mean, you can be on YouTube, and someday you know, one day they say, yep. Gone.

You can't you can't be suppressed if you're on DVD.

Yep. One good point, though, that that brings up what Anthony Anthony said is we're fully prepared. Maybe they're gonna try to censor the movie and take it down in in 1 or 2 places or something. But already, it's it's I'm so happy that it's spreading out so much. All sorts of people have already downloaded a full copy of the movie, so tons of people have it in their house already.

I have it already on USB. It's backed up all over the place, and it's already online over the all over the place inside of, I don't know what, 17 different places. So it's gonna be really hard for people to scrub it from the Internet even though they might want to.

Right. So my question here is about this. This is free to share, free to post, free to view. There is no licensing restrictions of any kind on this. Right?

Correct. Yep. Everybody can do, yeah, whatever you wanna do. Chop it up all you want and, you know, put little pieces up anywhere. Whatever you wanna do.

Add a caveat to that. You can chop it up, but don't put words in people's mouth and make it into something that it isn't.

Right. Right. I mean, please don't do that. But, use what's there use what's there anyway you want because, we want it to spread. Yeah.

Mhmm.

So the next question.

This is

from our friend, Doug Pollock. Tom, are you afraid that this great documentary will be censored in the west?

Yeah. Like we were just saying, I think they're gonna try, but I don't see how they're gonna succeed. But I guess we'll find out. And there is some chance that it could even make the movie more popular if it gets censored because that did happen, I think, to Planet of the Humans when Michael Moore came out with that. They tried to censor it, and I think it got way more publicity.

And it, it helped it a lot if when that happened.

Stress and effect.

Yeah. Yeah. Could happen. Right.

Okay. We have this question, which is, I think, a little bit sarcastic, but we're gonna put it up anyway. Okay. A question in 3 parts. Part 1, how long has the planet Earth had a climate?

Part 2, how long has climate changed? Part 3, if it was changing before humans existed, then what on earth was causing it?

Okay. Over 44,600,000,000 years. Is that the correct answer, Anthony? He knows. I don't know.

But yeah. Great question. Of course, it was changing all the time. It's it's fluctuated up and down so many times. And the whole idea that this upward fluctuation is gonna last forever, and we can just, all of these different cycles are happening, but they're gonna stop happening completely crazy if you think about it at all.

So Yeah. I would point out that when the Earth was a molten ball in space, it had a it had a climate. It was just unbearably hot. That's all. So over 6000000000 years.

But I would like to say you know, I'd like to have a caveat there because there is no climate for the Earth. There are climates all around the Earth. There are different ecoregions, ecosystems. A desert climate is very different from the ocean. It's all one Earth, it's all one biosphere, but there's no Earth climate.

There are climates, and they all change on different timescales in different ways, and they have throughout history.

I think I may have asked, Gavin Schmidt about this that, what if, they're talking about Earth would be uninhabitable if we got another 2 or 3 c warming from here. So what if we were exploring an outer space, we found a planet exactly like Earth, except it was 3 c warmer than Earth? Would we say, ah, dang. This one, we it's uninhabitable. Nobody could live there.

I mean, of course, of course, that would be crazy. But, this whole idea that we're right on the edge of, of something terrible, it, it's not it's a nonstarter. Can't believe

It's crazy because when we evolved at a time, the earth was warmer when we evolved, and we evolved in a warmer region of the earth. You know, if if you believe what the the majority of scientists believe that the you know, there's debates because the science isn't settled, but most scientists believe we came about around the equator in Africa, and, it was during a warmer time period than now. Oh. Gee, we survived.

I do think it's really odd that I live I'm sitting here in Minnesota. It's snowy right now, and the annual average temperature here is supposed to be about 46 degrees Fahrenheit. And we're told that if it warms by maybe 2 f here, it's gonna be uninhabitable here, and life's gonna be terrible. But we can go just a little further south in Iowa. People aren't laying around dead in Iowa.

They're doing just fine. So scaring Minnesotans, that's gonna get a little warmer. I can't believe that, they even try saying that. It's it's

it's Yeah.

You know, one of the one of the best things that ever came out of Minnesota besides your movie is the Minnesotans for Global Warming. Remember that group? And they put together this fantastic parody video of Michael Mann and Climategate, which we've played here a couple of times. And it it it was censored, you know, because no one can criticize man. You know?

He he's uncriticizable. He's perfect. So, yeah, it it it's it's just it's amazing to me that people are so bent out of shape because you get more climate change getting on a plane flying from Minneapolis going to Miami than you'd ever get from the even the worst RCP 8.5 model.

Yeah. Well, look. The majority of people, if if they move when they retire, they don't move to, North Dakota or Minnesota. They moved to Arizona, Texas, Crossville, Tennessee, it turns out, and Florida. Right.

You know, you don't golf in snow very often.

Right. Unless you're in the air force and you've done something stupid or bad, and then they send you to Nome. There's no place like Nome.

People don't talk enough. I think one reason probably why the older folks move away from Minnesota is just when it's all icy everywhere, it's really dangerous for if you're 90 trying to get around in the winter here, it's extremely dangerous. So the whole idea again, of a little warmth being bad if you're 90 in Minnesota, it's that's crazy.

Totally crazy. Even in Illinois, I think it was my dad had a bad slip on the ice before they moved out of Illinois, and I think that was their last straw. They said, nope, that's it. We're leaving. That's we're done here.

Okay. So another question. Where are the download instructions? I'm not sure.

That's a great question. You can contact me, and I can help you download your own copy for now. We're gonna have to figure out how to make it more automated. But, you know, email me or DM me, and I'll help you out.

Okay. Tom, what is your favorite part in the movie? Everybody's got a favorite part. What's yours?

You know, for me, I think my favorite part was just the end when they're talking about how it is, on the big picture. We're not talking about, c o two. We're talking in the big picture that the whole thing is a war on people who have real jobs that are they're doing real work, and they're providing the food and etcetera for everybody, and it's a war on them. It's a war on ordinary people, and there's so many of us and so few of them. So that that's my favorite part.

I think you did a good job of,

ending on a very important note there. War? What is it

good for?

Nothing. Yeah. You can get a download out of YouTube, and there's different, apps and things that'll let you download from YouTube and Vimeo. I think Vimeo allowed the direct download, don't they?

I don't know. I I I need to look at that YouTube one. I don't know what format you get when you download. I gotta check into that.

You might be able to if you have YouTube premium. That might be, they they allow you to download some videos unless they have a block on it. But, I haven't checked for that one yet. Good. Man, thank you very much so far to our audience and stuff.

You guys have some funny comments today. Here's Zorro with man is about as perfect as a broken record. So

Yeah. Right.

The climate seems to be anomalously normal. Should we be worried?

Oh, no. It's a crisis. Oh goodness. So, you know, we have been at this, all of us, except for Linnea, who's just started with the Heartland Institute, last year. Or maybe it was the year before that.

I lose track of time sometimes. But Tom and I have been in this for over 10 years. I know Sterling's been in it for over 10 years. You know? And we keep every day pushing back against this insanity.

And it it it is starting now, thanks to COVID, you know, and people going, wait a minute. You know, the science follow the science. Didn't work out here. Or maybe follow the science and climate change isn't working out either, especially when they're being told about, you know, doom and destruction, and it's really not visible, you know, in their everyday lives. And so I think I hope we're making progress here, and I hope this movie will be a big part of the progress toward moving things back to sanity.

Yeah. You mentioned something about not being able to see the crisis. I think Patrick Moore does a good job in his book, Fake Invisible Catastrophes, that there since there's nothing happening where we actually are, they have to pretend that there's something terrible happening someplace on the other side of the world where we can't check it for ourselves. There's a ton of that. And just as an aside on that book, it makes me so happy that there's a guy in the movie, a Kenyan farmer, a brilliant guy named Jasper Machogu, and he was on the Greenpeace side and kind of an alarmist that maybe 4 years ago.

And then he read Patrick Moore's book, fake invisible catastrophes, and he realized that this guy, formerly Greenpeace, not believing in this, it really helped him to look into the data, and now he's solidly on our side. He's a very, very good spokesman for for Africa and for climate realism. So that's a heartwarming story for me.

I also really I like the parts where they talked about how the, the funding for science works because that's something we run into all the time with climate realism. It seems like half of the stories that we cover are just someone tie like kind of loosely tying or just vaguely mentioning climate change attached to some pretty much unrelated study, and then they just toss climate change in there to get some kind of funding for it. And so that it makes the rounds in the media. But, so I appreciated that you guys covered that quite a bit.

Yeah. So there's that whole incentive, like you just said, that you get highly rewarded if you push alarmism. And then on the other side in the movie, I thought it was pretty powerful with, Sally Balayunas in there, talking about how she was working with Willie Soon back in around maybe 03 or so, and just saying, true things about the solar influences. And she got so much blowback. Her family got blowback, and she ended up retiring early, and that kind of, yeah, getting pushed out of a science.

It's crazy, because she was, not she was saying things that did not conform to the narrative. So it's, the incentives are just way wrong, and, hopefully, those are gonna flip at some point here.

I used to work with Sally and always wondered what had happened to her. I suspected that was the reason she was no longer doing it. There were some others that used to work with Pat Michaels that just stopped doing climate change because they got tired of the blowback and stuff. People who wrote books with him and and articles, peer reviewed articles that won awards, that they are no longer doing climate research because it's like Yeah. You know, I don't need the I don't need the headache.

So I do think go ahead.

Go ahead.

I do think the worm do think the worm is turning in general that, there's a strength in numbers, safety in numbers. More people are speaking out. I I hear more people speaking out now than I did, 3 years ago even, and I think it it may when it crumbles, it may crumble pretty quickly as, people realize it's kinda safe to step out of the shadows. Because I think there's enormous amounts of people right now today who know this thing's a total crock, and they don't dare say anything. But I

I hope people crumbles like the Berlin Wall did. You know?

Yeah. There you go. Really. Mhmm.

So, one of the Tom, you mentioned that a lot of these claims about disaster, you know, all this stuff, people can't see for themselves because it's on the other side of the world. Well, I'm gonna point out that there is one that you can see for yourself. In 1988, in a magazine interview, doctor James Hansen of NASA, put out a prediction saying that the West Side Highway in New York City would be underwater in 20 years. So by 2,008, it's gonna be underwater. Well, 2,008 came and went, and it didn't happen.

And like these folks usually do, they can't admit they were just simply wrong. You know? They have to stretch it out. And so what Hanson did is, well, I misspoke. What I really meant was 40 years.

And you can view this on my website or what's up with that. We've got the story about it. We track these things. So not only were they wrong at the beginning, they had to do a cover up on a new lie in order to make it not look bad for them. And that's the problem we've got with a lot of these climate scientists.

They just refuse to admit they're wrong. It's so simple, but they won't do it. Because if they admit they are wrong, the money dries up, and all their prestige and everything dries up associated with the research and the money and everything else. And that's really it. It's a thought of the money problem.

So I do think a lot of this climate scientists now, they've wizened up, and they're picking end of the world stuff in the year 21100 or 23100. You gotta pick some number. Some year, you're gonna be safely dead, and you won't have to you won't you won't have to still be alive when, it's

Yeah. You won't be mostly dead. You'll be truly dead.

I think They're

like they're like they're they're becoming like politicians. Politicians say, we'll do this by this date, and often it's a date that they will no longer be in office so they won't be blamed for either the bad results or the fact that it doesn't get done. I mean, Biden did it just this week with his new EV standard. When does the EV standard kick in? Well, conveniently, 2032.

Even if he were to win reelection, he'll be out of office by by 4 years by then. So

I think I have heard about end of the world people and saying that the world's gonna end at midnight on this certain date. So everybody gets together in a room and they're ready for the world to end and the clock ticks midnight, nothing happens, and they say, oh, just kidding. It it must have been a couple years from now. It's that type of thing that they can't pick deadlines that are too close. But, yeah.

Yeah. So I'm really looking forward to the climate rapture, I gotta tell you. Really looking forward to that. The only people that'll be left on the earth are the climate realist like us. Alrighty.

So that You have

to suffer through an extra degree of warming.

Maybe. Alright.

Lenny, do we have any other questions to cover?

I do not believe that we have questions except for engineer guy asking if anyone from the mainstream media even or Newsmax have reached out to you to talk about this yet?

They have not yet, but I'm hearing that they might reach out. So, yeah, I think it's gonna happen, but not yet.

Alright.

On that note then, I think we're gonna call this a show. I wanna thank you, Tom, for joining us today. But more than that, I wanna thank you and Martin Durkin for producing a fantastic quality piece of, cinematography. It really is gonna make a difference and, we're really looking forward to seeing how it gets spread around the world. I wanna remind everyone to visit our website, climate realism.com, climate ataglamps.com, and energy in a glance.com, and also climate the movie dot net, where you can view the movie for free.

And, you know, get together if you and party, invite your friends over, you know, invite your neighbors over and make them watch this movie while you feed them beer or something. That'll be a good way to get their get their mind right.

Yeah. And I wanna I wanna give a shout out to, Tom Nelson's podcast as well. It's a really excellent podcast. He brings on guests all the time to talk about, different climate topics and, controversies. So please go check that out.

Alrighty then. Well said, Linnea. Thank you. Alright. For Sterling, for Linnea, and for Tom Nelson, I am Anthony Watts, senior fellow for environment and climate at the Heartland Institute, wishing you a wonderful Friday and a fantastic weekend.

Bye bye.

Alright. Thank you. See you later.